Islam Will Conquer the West and the World, Says Hamas

try saying that when you live where i live mate

we're not allowed to have a gun and its happening on my doorstep. By the time my son's my age they'll outnumber us.

We've been invaded and we never noticed.

Can I ask where you do live?

northern england

and i for one am a little bit nervous about all this.

Ah, wonderful. I'm curious: why do you want a gun? Are you afraid people like me - those from Asian countries who have been raised here - are going to attack you when you least expect it?

My parents moved here over thirty years ago, and have contributed to the country in numerous ways ever since. If you ask me, England isn't turning Indian, or Pakistani, or Bangladeshi, or Arabic. We're turning English. And I, for one, am proud of that.

i don't want a gun, guess that was a bit of a silly remark and i'm not afraid of people like yourself who were born and raised here and contribute so much to the community.

what i am afraid of is that it would be very easy for fundamentalist groups to operate in our country because there are so many different ethnic groups here. also i think they are more likely to drum up support for their cause in areas where there is racial tension.

a friend of mine was beaten up by a gang of taxi drivers. it was a racist attack and he's now afraid to go out like we used to. it's unreasonable to assume that all non-whites living in england are capable of such acts, just as it is unreasonable to assume that any white male with a shaven head is a nazi.

we are living in dangerous times and the comment above seemed to trivialise this.

my comment was not intended to offend and i offer sincere apologies if i have caused offence.

i must remember to engage brain before mouth.

my comment was not intended to offend

Glad to hear it. :-)

There have been quite a few documentaries about extremist groups since 7/7. You'll find 99% of ethnic minorities in the country don't like the idea of extremism. Tony Blair has repeatedly said extremists will be deported. You're still not safe, and you never will be as long as someone thinks he can blame someone else for his misfortunes, be he African, European, Asian or Martian, but this doesn't mean England is being overrun. It's been that way throughout history, and it's survived thus far.

Well, except for all those invasions, but they were over a thousand years ago. Well, the last one was 940 years ago, to be exact, but whatever. :-)

you'd think that humanity would learn from its mistakes but alas, the race towards power and wealth goes ever onward, squashing the innocent who happen to be in the way.

is there any hope for us as a species or would mother earth benefit from a global abortion?

This comment from a fundamentalist Muslim is no different from the Bushies' comments saying that God inspires them to want to crush fundamentalist Islam, cram American styled democracy down every Muslim's throat whether they want it or not and expel religious extremists from power everywhere by force.

Can you provide some exact quotes and references?

Bush told the Palestinians he is working for god.

although the translation fo the quote is in dispute, this is what I and the above poster were thinking of
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"God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam [Hussein], which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."
--Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Abu Mazen quoting Bush when they met in Aqaba; reported in The Haaretz Reporter by Arnon Regular"

I'm sure you must have heard quotes from the rabid extremist - Coulter, who said that we should either kill them all or convert them to Christianity. This is no different.

Nothing to see here... move on...

Bush comments:

"Today humanity holds in its hands the opportunity to further freedom's triumph over all these foes. The United States welcomes our responsibility to lead in this great mission ."

"But our responsibility to history is clear: to answer these attacks and rid the world of evil."

#Influence

Replace freedom with Islam and United States with Hamas and voila... It's the same stuff.

World Press Secretary

This comment from a fundamentalist Muslim is no different from the Bushies' comments saying that God inspires them to want to crush fundamentalist Islam, cram American styled democracy down every Muslim's throat whether they want it or not and expel religious extremists from power everywhere by force.

Every Muslim?

That's quite a statement. And surely you can provide a linked text to Bush advocating that position.

World Press Secretary

Bush comments:

"But our responsibility to history is clear: to answer these attacks and rid the world of evil."

And rational, clear thinking people take that to mean respond to those that perpetated the terror attacks on the U.S. not Islam as a whole.

Sorry your quote first of all didn't provide a link to the text and also failed to prove Bush intended to "cram American styled democracy down every Muslim's throat whether they want it or not.

In fact it's not even close.

This comment from a fundamentalist Muslim is no different from the Bushies' comments saying that God inspires them to want to crush fundamentalist Islam, cram American styled democracy down every Muslim's throat whether they want it or not and expel religious extremists from power everywhere by force.

I too would love to see where you think Bush has said this. You respond earlier with coments about freedom, but those are not the same thing. Bush has also said he does NOT expect Iraq (for example) to develop an American style of government but rather their own style of democracy.

Sorry, but I think you are off base here. Heck, I am not even sorry to tell the truth.

To all those requesting proof that the Bush wants to put the hammer down on the Muslims... please note:
I my original post I wrote "the Bushies'" (Plural Possesive) referring to the entire administration which is chock-full of Jewish Zionists, PNAC signers and born-again Christian Zionists
I am of the opinion that Bush is a pretty dim bulb and that virtually none of the policy comes from him directly.

I am afraid the entire world - except the USA - saw the video of this my friend.
Sorry.

..borders..67..ok how about these..borders..
...Canna... you tell me who do you think it belongs to...

http://www.mideastweb.org/palmaps.htm

..........Canaan..................

Israel in Early Times - According to Hebrew tradition, 12 tribes entered Cana'an from Egypt and conquered it, led by Moses

So folklore is your guide ?
Ok.
I'll file that under C again I guess...
I hope one day people will be able to have some kind of rational discourse on this topic because I think it's important if humans are ever going to establish some kind of civilisation.

By the way you should inform the indiginous peoples of the world (e.g. Native Americans, Australian Aborigines) that you support their exception from any legal framework as they do what they want on their land.
At least they have archaeology on their side to bolster their folklore claim.

..folklore..uh..so are you saying that God did not give Canaan to the present day Jews...?

That's what it says in the Bible, and for that matter the Koran too!

http://www.beingjewish.com/mesorah/history.html

Couldnt have said it better myself. What's sad is people in our country, under the guise of "patriots" (mostly on the left) are fighting FOR the terrorists, while saying their against them, and they dont even realise it.

Really? Can we have some sources to back up this claim?

They'll never beat us militarily... but culturally and economically, they are like termites... eating away at a slow, undetected pace. Just look at Europe.

How will they beat us culturally and economically? Are they going to make the American culture "less" American?

Really? Can we have some sources to back up this claim?

Sources? How about the world around you? Take your head out of a book and look at reality. Radical Islam is knocking at the doors and is speaking openly about their goals. It's time to wake up to it.

How will they beat us culturally and economically? Are they going to make the American culture "less" American?

By out populating everyone for one. They seep into a society and refuse to assimilate, and breed like crazy forcing the culture to wrap (warp?) around them instead of vice versa. They pressure the culture into their ways and beliefs (their stated goal of islam as the dominant world religion / down with christians, etc). They are relying on the US and the West's crippled stance of political correctness. We're so worried about offending someone, so we will just act like reality isn't happening. It's not a bring & fluffy nice world... it's cold and dark and they're knocking at our doorsteps.

Like I said, they'll never beat us with bombs and guns... but they'll erode us from the inside out.

They pressure the culture into their ways and beliefs

I assume you mean "terrorists" and/or "fundamentalists". Labeling all Muslims this way is wrong.

(their stated goal of islam as the dominant world religion / down with christians, etc).

Are there not Christians that feel the same way (but in reverse)?

It's not a bring & fluffy nice world...

No it's not. But that doesn't mean we can just forget political correctness. Dealing carefully with the populace of the Middle East is just as important, if not moreso, than dealing with Middle Eastern governments. If the people of the Middle East regard us as occupiers out to control them, they will not hesitate to resist / fight back. We need to show them on some level that we understand their beliefs and that we are not out to eradicate them.

Obviously this conflicts greatly with cherished Western ideals (remember the Danish cartoons). I'm not advocating silencing those ideals for people in another area of the globe, but we need to find a balance to show that we are not hostile to their faith while maintaining our founding principles.

I agree for the most part... we have to tread lightly, I understand. Shoot if it was up to me we'd seal our borders and have nothing to do with over there at all, but I digress...

Are there not Christians that feel the same way (but in reverse)?

Touche. I'll agree, but on the flipside the Christians aren't out to do it through blood and beheadings are they...

I assume you mean "terrorists" and/or "fundamentalists". Labeling all Muslims this way is wrong.

For the most part. Although the population of your standard model muslims can be playing into this scheme without being aware of the global impact it's having. Migrating to our country only to segregate themselves and not assimilate into our society and culture (refusing to remove the veils for drivers license photos for example) is almost as bad as trying to undermine the country on purpose.