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The Danger in Coming out of the Trenches Too Soon

Seeded on Wed Jun 28, 2006 3:32 PM EDT
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If the average Palestinian working for a living is a nice guy and doesn't particularly want Israel's destruction (if that is indeed true), then why is it that Israel, whose leaders are just (foolishly jumping at any chance to get to negotiating table, seems to always get back to physical combat against their attackers.

The linked column explores this issue, and comes to the conclusion that when one side is seeking the annihilation of the other (as the leaders of Hamas and the PLO are seeking the destuction fo Israel) for the other side to ignore the attacks and try to negotiate is a fatal mistake.

This is the situation in which we find ourselves today. The Arabs who live in the countries that surround Israel are not bad people. They do not have horns and do not have a thirst for Jewish blood. And the Palestinians who live in Gaza, Judea and Samaria (or whatever terminology floats your boat) are not bloodthirsty killers or sub-human monsters.

Granted the cultural gulf that exists between them and us is more reminiscent of how we and the Japanese viewed one another during WWII. But even if the conflict more closely resembled the cultural fratricide that existed between the various European combatants during WWI, we would still be left to deal with the only thing that matters; the decisions and orders issued by the leaders.

You can write all the heartwarming anecdotes you want about mothers in Gaza and students in Bethlehem. Those nice people are not in a position to call the shots and are as much victims of this conflict as we are.

Until their leaders (and by this I mean the unambiguous, democratically elected leaders of the Palestinians people) unequivocally and finally denounce all armed hostilities against the people and nation of Israel, the two peoples... ALL OF THEM... will remain in a very real state of war.

(And please read the whole thing before you denounce it as the ravings of an extreme right-winger settler - an inaccurate label in this case).

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The only problem with his analysis, which as you point out is basically fair, is that the Palestinians are not one unified, organized people. So there's no way to "beat them into submission" the way the Germans were after World War II. Neither is there any way to force their leaders to recognize the futility of fighting Israel. Most of their elected leaders have recognized this fact for a long time. It's the leaders of the anti-democratic factions-- the terrorist movements-- that prolonge this conflict. So it just doesn't matter if "the unambigous, democratically elected leaders of the Palestinian people" denounce terror once and for all, because there will always be someone else who won't.

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Reply#1 - Fri Jun 30, 2006 12:30 AM EDT
Yaakov

the Palestinians are not one unified, organized people.

They were pretty unified earlier this week, when 82% of them said that Gilad Shalit should be held hostage and should not be returned to Israel.

Most of their elected leaders have recognized this fact for a long time.

Most of the elected leaders belong to Hamas - and they have never recognized the futility of fighting israel.

So it just doesn't matter if "the unambigous, democratically elected leaders of the Palestinian people" denounce terror once and for all, because there will always be someone else who won't.

Correct. If all the leaders do is denounce terror, then nothing will change. If, on the other hand, the leaders make it a crime to plot against or attack Israel (with whatever political spin that they want) and then actually enforce these laws, then things would change. As long as the leaders fail to enforce any of their statements, they are doing a very poor job at leadership.

    #1.1 - Fri Jun 30, 2006 3:20 AM EDT
    borg

    They were pretty unified earlier this week, when 82% of them said that Gilad Shalit should be held hostage and should not be returned to Israel.

    I agree more with you Yaakov - from what I have been able to work out the Palesitinians agree on a broad range of issues - this is reflected in their elections as well.
    What you fail to mention is that they support the kidnapping of an Israeli soldier to be used to negotiate the freedom of thousands of Palestinians that have been kidnapped (remember more than 1000 are held without any trial or even charges being laid) by the state of Israel.

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    #1.2 - Sat Jul 1, 2006 4:10 AM EDT
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