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Conversation on the Beach

Seeded on Sun Jul 30, 2006 1:38 PM EDT
Read ArticleArticle Source: Solly Ganor
world-news, israel, middle-east, palestine, gaza, peace, beach, holocaust, herzliya
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The conversation between a Jewish holocaust survivor and a young Arab man attending Hebrew University. This took place in the middle of the intifada, in 2002 on a beach outside of Herzliya, Israel. I haven't looked at this piece for a few years, but I remembered it today while thinking about the animosities present in this region, and whether any prospects for peace in the near future exist.

For a while he looked at me perturbed. " We all make mistakes. But Islam with all its faults is a thousand times more preferable to the abomination that is the West." He finally said quietly. Then he gave me a fierce look and said: "If you had said in any Arabcountry about Islam, what you have just said to me, you would be a dead man!"

"I am sure I would. And if you had said in any Arab country denouncingtheir corrupt regimes the way you are denouncing Israel, you would be adead man too. Yet, here you are, studying at the Hebrew University inJerusalem, allowing yourself openly to speak of subversion and treasonagainst the State of Israel, without any fear of being arrested, let alonebeing killed for it. Doesn't it say something to you?"

"Yes, it says that you are weak, and that weakness will be your undoing."he said seriously."

Isn't there a way our two nations could ever come to terms and make peace?"

Again he gave me that serious look. " Yes, there is a way. We are not like the Nazis who gave you no other choice but death. We give you the chance to convert to Islam, then you will become a part of us and our people willlive in peace.

"For a while we stood in silence looking at the sea.

(This article was widely distributed in 2002 after it was first published. At the top of the page that is linked there is a letter of introduction from the author of the article. To get to the article itself you will have to scroll down a little bit)

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Reply#1 - Mon Jul 31, 2006 4:19 PM EDT
Yaakov
  1. I think that it is an interesting, well written description of an encounter and conversation that one does not see too much of nowadays. People might be interested. Maybe even "get smarter".
  2. The thing that I find most significant about this is that the Arab man who was talking is pretty representative of the next generation of leaders among the Palestinian. Well-spoken, well-educated (courtesy of Israel and Hebrew University). He is used to an environment in Israel where he can speak his mind without consequences. And he is very unashamed at the fact that he is much more radical than the previous generation:

    "I know what that old fool will say by heart. He is of the old school and
    preaches moderation. Fortunately, his time is over."

    " You don't think that moderation is a good idea?"

    " What has moderation ever done for us? We have been moderate long
    enough. We are growing weaker while you have grown stronger. It is time
    for us to act."

    Whenever I hear people talking about how Israel just has to reopen the dialogue with the Palestinians, keep making compromises and concessions, because they don't really want to destroy Israel, and sooner or later their moderate leadership will show up and lead the way to everlasting peace - whenever I hear that I think about this young man, the future leadership of the Palestinian people, and his generosity at offering conversion to the Jews of Israel rather than death.

  • 3 votes
#1.1 - Tue Aug 1, 2006 2:10 AM EDT
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Andrew Benton

This was very interesting, thanks for this.

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Reply#2 - Wed Aug 2, 2006 8:41 AM EDT
eSantiago

Dang, conversion or death, doesn't that sound so familiar?!? Christians!!! CATHOLICS??!?! Lest we need to lift up the carpet and take a look at the many inquisitions, blood baths, "witch" burnings, and whatnot that has been swept under there (and hidden). And sorry but I, for one, blame the entire DARK AGES on the backward thinking doctrine of both Islam and Christianity (of the time). Thank God, Allah and Yahweh for the Renaissance, it was the beginning of the end for all religious stupidity.

Great Piece, Yaakov. Way to get the anger out of me...whew.

  • 1 vote
Reply#3 - Thu Aug 3, 2006 9:35 AM EDT
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