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Why Palestinians Still Live in Refugee Camps?

Seeded on Mon Sep 4, 2006 8:47 AM EDT
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Why do Palestinians in Gaza still live in refugee camps? Did the Israelis force Palestinians to stay in the squalid, overcrowded camps?

Palestinians still live in refugee camps, even when the camps are in Palestinian Authority controlled areas, because the PLO opposes and prevents refugee resettlement. As the PLO slogan goes, A Palestinian refugee never moves out of his camp except to return home (ie, to Israel).

While the PLO has done its best to keep Palestinians in refugee camps, Israel has done its best to move Palestinians out of the camps and into new homes. Israel even started a heavily subsidized "build-your-own-home" program for Palestinian refugees. According to an early description of the program:

So what happened to these programs (created by Israel) aimed at resettling Palestinian "refugees" outside of their camps in new towns, which would have resulted in a higher quality of life for said "refugees"? As the article goes on to explain, it was oppossed by both the Palestinian leadership, and by the United Nations.

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Rollie

So much wasted Palestinian arab potential lost because of the "welfare" and "revenge" mentality and the refusal to move forward to find a lasting peace. Here's an excerpt from a National Review article that talks to this issue which actually existed before Israel was even involved when the Palestinian arabs were under Jordanian Rule (for 20 years) before UNWRA moved in and created its welfare system:

I spent some of my formative years in Hong Kong, a barren piece of rock with zero natural resources, under foreign occupation, chock-full of refugees from the Mao tyranny. The people there weren't lounging in UNRWA camps or making suicide runs at the governor's mansion. They were trading, building, speculating, manufacturing, working — with the result that Hong Kong is now a glittering modern city filled with well-dressed, well-educated, well-fed people, proud of what they have accomplished together, and with a higher standard of living than Britain herself. If, following the Oslo accords — or for that matter, in the 20 years of Jordanian occupation — the Palestinians had taken that route, had set aside their fantasies of revenge and massacre, and concentrated on building up something worth having, I might have respect for them. As it is, I don't.

The only halfway sympathetic thing I can find to say about the Palestinians is that UNRWA has surely been part of the problem. If you go to the UNRWA website, you will see how proud they are of having fed, clothed, sheltered, educated and cared for the Palestinian refugees of 1948... and their children... and their grandchildren. The number of people UNRWA cares for has gone from 600,000 in 1948 to nearly four million today. Now, I understand that the prime impulse of bureaucracies, especially welfare bureaucracies, is the consolidation and expansion of their turf, and a steady increase in the number of their "clients"; but this is ridiculous. The good people of Hong Kong should go down on their knees every night and thank God that there was no UNRWA in the colony in 1949. So, come to think of it, should the German and East European refugees who flooded into Western Europe after WWII. (I have seen the number 14 million somewhere — the Sudeten Germans alone numbered three million. Where are the festering camps? Where are the suicide bombers?)

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Reply#1 - Mon Sep 4, 2006 11:34 AM EDT
mrcg

So much wasted Palestinian arab potential lost because of the "welfare" and "revenge" mentality and the refusal to move forward to find a lasting peace.

Good point! They need to let it go. Israel will not move.

  • 3 votes
#1.1 - Mon Sep 4, 2006 9:48 PM EDT
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flymeoutofhere

Another thing to remember is that these camps are not really camps but more like towns. If you took a picture of a street in one of these camps, and compared it to a street in Cairo, Beirut, or Amman, they would be virtually the same.

  • 5 votes
Reply#2 - Mon Sep 4, 2006 1:23 PM EDT
the egyptian

Yaakov, with all due respect, this article is a crock of @!$%#. Once more I suggest that we stop seeding and arguing about whose fault this situation is, and start talking about how we can solve the problem.

First of all, the article repeatedly claims that that the PLO opposes refugee resettlement without one single shred of evidence. What the article does try to back up is the assertion that Israel ran a "build your own home program" for Palestinians that "died" because of UN and PLO opposition. What the article neglects to mention is that these "homes" that the Israeli military so graciously offered Palestinians were in places that were generally barren and worthless compared to the fertile places in which the Palestinians previously lived. The fact that that the program was run by the military should be a pretty good indicator to you that it was a program designed to resettle Palestinians in areas that were considered by the military to be in the best interest of Israel, not the Palestinians. UN opposition was not to the fact that the refugees were being resettled but that they were being resettled in places that were not their homes, and again, were of zero value compared to the places that they had been forced to leave behind.

If you are interested in the question of why most Palestinians still live in refugee camps, it is because they are living under an alternating regime of Israeli military occupation and corrupt Palestinian leadership, and it is because most of the good land (notwithstanding the Gaza withdrawal) as well as most of the highways and byways, most of the water resources, and most of the economic resources are either reserved for settlers or actively destroyed by the Israeli military.

Ultimately I am disappointed in your ability to empathize with these people. As I recall you were a vociferous opponent of the Gaza withdrawal; why are you able to feel bad for Israelis being evicted from their homes, but not for Palestinians?

While I agree that to some extent the squalor of the refugee camps is something the PA can use to ask for more money and more resources, and I agree that their persistance is partially the fault of poor governance, the notion that Israel has nothing to do with this is pure bull@!$%#.

I have a question: what is your suggestion? What would you have the refugees do? Note that if your answer includes moving them out to other Arab or European countries then I will consider it worthless and somewhat racist. (Just as I would consider it worthless and racist to suggest that we solve the problem by moving all the Jews somewhere else).

  • 9 votes
Reply#3 - Mon Sep 4, 2006 7:31 PM EDT
Yaakov

Yaakov, with all due respect, this article is a crock of @!$%#.

Well, I was pretty sure that it would get your attention, I just didn't know what kind of visceral reaction I would get.

What the article neglects to mention is that these "homes" that the Israeli military so graciously offered Palestinians were in places that were generally barren and worthless compared to the fertile places in which the Palestinians previously lived.

The place in which I live right now was a barren and worthless hill twenty years ago before the Jews showed up with some tents. No matter what the outcome in this situation, someone is going to end up homeless, either Jew or Muslim. When hundreds of thousands of Jews were kicked out of Muslim countries in 1949, they did not set up perpetual refugee camps in order to make their case. Nor did they appeal to the UN, even though they were victims of a grave injustice and theft. Instead, they came to Israel and built homes on barren hilltops and in malaria-infested swamps. The modern marvel that you see in Israel today was not there when the Arabs lived here, and for a very good reason. The Jews were the first ones in thousands of years to volunteer to live in areas of the land that had previously been "uninhabitable" as recent as one hundred years ago. And look what there is today. These refugee camps can continue to exist for another hundred years, and it will not change the facts that:

  • These poor people are being used as tools in a political game
  • Almost all of these people will never own the land that might have been owned by their great-grandfathers sixty years ago

So what to do about it? Israel right now is making the dessert bloom (literally). If these "refugees" are held in camps for the next hundred years, they will get nothing. If they choose to rebuild their lives somewhere then they can turn into something special (if not corrupted by hate).

why are you able to feel bad for Israelis being evicted from their homes, but not for Palestinians?

Because I do not think that it was Israel that evicted them from their homes. They were evicted as a result of war between many Arab countries and Israel. As a result of this war (and subsequent conflicts), hundreds of thousands of Jews were kicked out of Arab countries, and hundreds of thousands of Arabs lost their land in Israel. The Jews went to Israel. The Arabs went to refugee camps, and stay there until today. This is not an event that happened yesterday. It was almost sixty years ago. I blame the Arab countries (other than Jordan), the UNRWA and the Palestinian leadership that will not give these people a chance and keep them imprisoned in these camps much more than I blame Israel.

What would you have the refugees do?

It is not up tot he refugees. As you point out, they are pretty helpless, and rely on corrupt governments to look after them (when keeping them helpless is in the best interests of said governments).

The help must come from their brethren. Instead of importing millions of rounds of ammunition through Sinai and tens of thousands of rifles and mortar rounds, spend the money on better housing and facilities in Gaza. Instead of diggin tunnels below the earth for the sake of killing and kidnapping Israeli soldiers, dig new irrigation trenches. They have the tools and they have the resources. Use it constructively. If this would happen, you would see the world (who has become suspicious thatany money sent into Gaza goes to weapons) jumping to help finance these projects, and you will see Israel much more willing to contribute both land and money for the betterment of these people. However, as long as the Palestinian government remains corrupt and all money goes towards continuing the conflict with Israel, nothing will change.

(Such a shame. They don't realize how close they were to getting Olmert and the Israeli government to give them large amounts of land. If Hizballah and Hamas could have held themselves back, by this time next year there very well could have been a new country. But they couldn't. Because nothing has really changed, has it?)

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#3.1 - Tue Sep 5, 2006 7:45 AM EDT
the egyptian

Hi Yaakov. Well, you are right, this discussion of the Palestinian refugee problem often provokes a visceral reaction in me, because I find that most of the assumptions people make are offensive. For some reason, whenever this topic is discussed, reasoned thought goes out the window. I am not accusing you of this, but I would note the general insensitivity and generalization of a belief that prior to the arrival of Israel, Palestine as a whole was a barren land. This is not true. While the Israelis deserve admiration and applause for building such an advanced society in such a short period, the idea that Israel single-handedly made "the desert bloom" is nonsense. Israel's birth happened to occur at the same time as a worldwide explosion in technology and especially agricultural science, and while the Israeli "spirit" is responsible for a lot, so is good fortune, timing, and external help. I am relatively confident that if a state of Palestine received billions per year in aid they would be quite capable of making a desert bloom as well.

You are right that the Palestinian refugees as are being used as political pawns. You are also right that they will get nothing if they sit there. But the solution does not mean they ought to be resettled into foreign lands. The solution is to allow them to settle in their own damn land, or the tiny portion of it that they can ever hope to get back. Palestinian refugees can only be resettled into Gaza and the West Bank. While the PA and various Arab governments have made a real mess of everything so far, this doesn't mean that everyone ought to send the Palestinians to Egypt or Jordan. Because they may as well be sent to Timbuktu. Why it is that some Israeli Jews, who have a similarly strong attachment to their land, don't understand this simple point is beyond me. (Again, not accusing you of believing this, but I think the author of this article does).

As far as the refugees just all spontaneously deciding to build homes in the land that they do occupy, I think you underestimate the power of a few bad actors. I recall the IDF's sinking of the Irgun ship The Altalena in 1948 as the day that the government of Israel declared sole and total sovereignty over the people, and would argue that if this had not happened, the various Israeli factions would never have been able to coalesce around a state. The same has yet to occur in Palestine, but is desperately needed. Until someone on the Palestinian side is able to establish complete and total control in a similar manner, the good efforts of 99% of Palestinians won't be enough for them to succeed.

The Palestinian government is completely corrupt, but I don't think "all the money" goes to fighting Israel. Probably a much smaller proportion than you think. Especially considering how little money is actually there.

In any event, none of this has anything to do with improving the lot of the refugees, or ending this pointless and bloody conflict. Neither does the article that was seeded.

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#3.2 - Tue Sep 5, 2006 3:20 PM EDT
Yaakov

I am relatively confident that if a state of Palestine received billions per year in aid they would be quite capable of making a desert bloom as well.

Being capable of doing something and actually doing it are two very different things.

Especially considering how little money is actually there.

Well, we don't really know how much money there is. At the same time that the government is crying for more handouts from the world, their ministers are getting caught smuggling in millions of dollars in their suitcases. And those are the ones that are caught. They definitely want to give the appearance of being destitute. Whether that is the reality or not we do not know. (Yes, I know that most of the poeple are out of money, but considering the history of Palestinian government figures, I do not find it unreasonable to say that a few of them have lots of money and spend it on what they want, while the rest suffer).

Neither does the article that was seeded.

Says who? I think that the more the "refugees" are singled out as victims of corrupt Arab and Palestinian governments, and Israel is acknowledged as not being 100% to blame, the closer we get to lessening the degree of corruption in the Arab governments. As long as they can scape-goat Israel as being the sole party responsible, while they themselves are being active in maintaining the status quo, they will have absolutely no incentive to do otherwise.

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#3.3 - Tue Sep 5, 2006 3:56 PM EDT
the egyptian

I think that most Arabs and Palestinians already know that they are victims of terrible governments and terrible leadership. This, despite the rhetoric many people employ that blames everything on Israel. To the extent that you want to talk about Arab culpability, I agree with you that its important to be brought up. But neither is Israel 100% innocent, and that's my only point and my main objection to the article.

  • 6 votes
#3.4 - Tue Sep 5, 2006 8:55 PM EDT
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JoulesBeef

just for clarification as a lot of people seem to have this wrong.
The occupied territory is not the same as the land the isreals paid for, the reconised borders before the 6 day war.
The right of return, with palistinians is for the occupied territory and NOT in isreals pre '67 borders.
They are NOT seeking to return to land jewish people bought and paid for from arabian landholders during the ottoman empire.

  • 3 votes
Reply#4 - Mon Sep 4, 2006 9:27 PM EDT
flymeoutofhere

OK - So then why are the Palestinians blowing up people?

Israel gave back the Gaza Strip, half of what they want. If the Palestinians want the West Bank to be handed into their control, the logical thing would be to behave. Olmert has already said that he plans to give back the West Bank, however, how can he do so when he sees what has happened in Gaza since Israel left?

  • 1 vote
#4.1 - Tue Sep 5, 2006 3:13 AM EDT
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chill

Olmert has already said that he plans to give back the West Bank,

hmm can u link to that quote? .... I believe you meant "part" of the west bank. or "lousy parts" of the west bank.

  • 3 votes
Reply#5 - Tue Sep 5, 2006 4:56 AM EDT
Oluseye

Resettling people in new camps not their own. I wonder what arguments you'd be making if some greater power came and resettled your neighbourhood on another land.

  • 3 votes
Reply#6 - Tue Sep 5, 2006 6:12 AM EDT
ajzzz

Why Palestinians Still Live in Refugee Camps?

Israel denies the right to return, the end.

  • 3 votes
Reply#7 - Tue Sep 5, 2006 8:30 AM EDT
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