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Obama on Israel and the Jews: Actions don't match words

Sun Feb 3, 2008 5:12 AM EST
politics, obama, barack-obama, israel, middle-east, elections, hillary-clinton, jerusalem, peace-process
By Yaakov

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    Hillary Clinton
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Barack Obama and Edward Said

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From what I have been able to observe so far, one of the main strengths of Barack Hussein Obama is his ambiguity: he does not appear to take many hard , controversial positions, and is thus able to cater to a large number of voters by slightly changing his language based on the group that he is addressing (while avoiding the "mistake" of committing himself to any one position that may upset someone).

One of the big issues where this is in play is Obama's attitude towards Israel. Traditionally, Jews vote Democrat, and because they vote in high percentages and have high numbers in swing states, the Jewish vote is important. For many Jews, the first and only issue in a presidential election is the candidate's attitude towards Israel and the "peace process". Because of his traditionally ambiguous positions, it is not very clear where he stands on many Israel-related issues. After soundly defeated by Hillary in Florida (big Jewish vote), the Obama campaign is on the war-path, trying to define his Israel position in a way that will be pleasing to Jewish voters.

In a recent post on Israel Matzav, blogger "Carl from Jerusalem" provides links to a couple of sources that show how the Obama campaign is trying very hard to win over the Jewish vote, and to a number of other sources that highlight why while Obama can talk the talk, when it comes to Israel, do not count on him to be such a good friend. If you would like to learn more about the subject, I encourage you to check out the link and the cited sources and analysis. For those who want a quick sneak preview:

Ed Lasky, American Thinker: Obama Speaks Before AIPAC

Although the Senator finds Hezb'allah violence against Israel worthy of being condemned he seems to ignore acts of Palestinian terrorism (merely talking of Palestinian "extremists" instead). He criticized Hezb'allah rocket attacks from Lebanon, but not Hamas rocket attacks from Gaza. He notes the destruction of homes by Hezb'allah but not the destruction of lives from Palestinian suicide bombings. He condemns Holocaust denial by Iran but is silent about Palestinian indoctrination of hatred among its children.

The double standard is chilling and disquieting. The remedy of more "jaw-jaw" and the near futility of sanctions (particularly when Iran is protected by strong commercial relations with various nations) are equally unsettling.

Ali Abunimah, Electronic Intifada: How Barack Obama Learned to Love Israel

The last time I spoke to Obama was in the winter of 2004 at a gathering in Chicago's Hyde Park neighborhood. He was in the midst of a primary campaign to secure the Democratic nomination for the United States Senate seat he now occupies. But at that time polls showed him trailing.

As he came in from the cold and took off his coat, I went up to greet him. He responded warmly, and volunteered, "Hey, I'm sorry I haven't said more about Palestine right now, but we are in a tough primary race. I'm hoping when things calm down I can be more up front." [Yikes!]

Debbie Schlussel

When Obama first ran for the U.S. Senate, he gave militant responses to the Chicago Jewish News about Israel. Obama denounced Israel's fence--which he called a "wall" and "barrier to peace"--to keep out terrorists and favored working with Yasser Arafat. When members of the Chicago Jewish community circulated his responses, Obama said that the answers were not his positions, but the work of a low-level intern. He submitted new answers. But that was a lie, the insider says. In fact, they were the work of Obama's Policy Director, Audra Wilson. Moreover, Obama told the insider that he blamed the Mideast conflict on the Jews:

Barack told me that he felt that Jewish community was too inflexible, and that was why the situation in the Mideast could not be resolved.

This is the man who says in a new campaign ad that Hillary Clinton will say anything but change nothing. Barack Obama will say anything, but change his answers.

Check out Israel Matzav for more links and analysis.

Although I never thought that I would say it, right now I think that Hillary is the Democratic candidate who is the best for Israel. Obama's shadow positions just scare me. He seems to be saying just enough so that he will not scare away Jewish voters, but once in power, I am afraid that his true colors, and those of his advisers, will come out, to the detriment of the Jewish State.

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Henry VII

How about if an American president puts America first?

  • 3 votes
Reply#1 - Sun Feb 3, 2008 6:27 AM EST
Yaakov

Like it or not, a good portion of voters make their vote based on one or two core issues. For many Jews, this issue happens to be America's position vis a vis Israel. This article examines the positions of one of the main candidate on this issue. And regardless of whether or not you feel that a candidate's position on Israel should affect your vote, it affects mine (as it does many others), and thus it is a fair topic of discussion.

This article is not about my opinion of who the best candidate is, which candidates campaign promises seem to "put America first" more than any other candidate, or whether voting based on one or two core issues is fair. If you would like to write about this, by all means go ahead. Otherwise, I don't see the relevance of your comment to this article.

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#1.1 - Sun Feb 3, 2008 7:12 AM EST
Henry VII

My comment is relevant because, other than diplomatic and economic relations, the United States has no business in Israel or any other nation. It is not the American president's job to protect Israel any more than it is to spread democracy is Iraq.

You state that Obama's actions don't match his words. I simply state the proper action.

  • 1 vote
#1.2 - Sun Feb 3, 2008 7:28 AM EST
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Oluseye

I am not surprised Obama is not the Likudnik candidate. As to how many centrist Jewish votes he'd get, I'd bet on quite a few.

    Reply#2 - Sun Feb 3, 2008 9:36 AM EST
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    Apple Annie

    "Hey, I'm sorry I haven't said more about Palestine right now, but we are in a tough primary race. I'm hoping when things calm down I can be more up front."

    He used the word "Palestine" not "Israel??"

    This is interesting. Thank you for sharing your insights on this issue.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#3 - Sun Feb 3, 2008 10:15 AM EST
    Yaakov

    @Applie Annie: Your comment implies that the interchange of "Israel" with "Palestine" is of little significance. I beg to differ:

    1. For a US politician to use the term "Palestine" to refer to Israel (when there is no such country as Palestine, and thus the use of this term in place of Israel can itself be construed as questioning the legitimacy of Israel to exist) shows a lot about the personal sympathies of the politician.
    2. The context sheds even more light: Obama was campaigning in a very Jewish Chicago suburb for in a tightly contested race. To refer to Israel as "Palestine" would be political suicide. Obama meets a known anti-Israel/pro-Palestinian writer and apologizes for not talking more about "Palestine". If this is Obama's true face, then I would be very very hesitant to believe any toeing of the party line that he does with regards to Israel

    To quote Eric Trager:

    Obama's apology to Abunimah—a major proponent of the one-state "solution"— indicates an unsophisticated view of American politics, in which success requires whispering sweet Zionist nothings to satisfy the almighty, one-issue Jewish electorate. Obama's foreign policy advisers have similarly promoted this inflated vision of Jewish power. As my contentions colleague Noah Pollak has assiduously noted, Obama adviser Samantha Power has declared that sound Middle East policy might require "alienating a domestic constituency"—guess which one. His staff further features Zbigniew Brzezinski, who has defended the Walt-Mearsheimer "Israel Lobby" thesis that the U.S.-Israel relationship is the product of Jewish power politics, rather than strategic interest.

    • 4 votes
    #3.1 - Sun Feb 3, 2008 10:35 AM EST
    Apple Annie

    @Applie Annie: Your comment implies that the interchange of "Israel" with "Palestine" is of little significance. I beg to differ:

    Yaakov,

    You could not be more wrong.

    http://appleannie.multiply.com/video/item/6

    • 3 votes
    #3.2 - Sun Feb 3, 2008 11:23 AM EST
    Yaakov

    @Apple Annie - I read the double question mark at the end of your question differently than you intended it to be read. My apologies. (Though I hope that my comment above explaining the significance of Obama's remark may be of help to others).

    • 4 votes
    #3.3 - Sun Feb 3, 2008 11:47 AM EST
    Apple Annie

    No worries, Yaakov. You live in Israel. I live in the USA. I have friends in Jerusalem and Gaza. Humor is the way most of my friends survive. It is so easy for those of us who live elsewhere to have opinions about things we do not know first hand.

    I support Hillary, as always.

    • 4 votes
    #3.4 - Sun Feb 3, 2008 12:25 PM EST
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    Curious Stranger

    TNR'S Marty Peretz - Can Friends of Israel--and Jews--Trust Obama? - In a word, Yes.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#4 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 1:55 AM EST
    Tom Bombadil

    I am having a very difficult time trusting Senator Obama on the issue of Israeli security. Is it because his judgment or knowlege about the Mid-East is just so weak, or is it something more sinister? I tend to believe the former - I don't find Obama sinister, in terms of him being intentionally so.

    However, it would seem to me that out of the "big four" candidates remaining in the Presidential campaign, Barack Obama would be the one for which Hamas and Hizbollah (and Iran and, yes, al-Qaeda) are cheering. I say that on the basis of Obama's statements and proposed policies, which would unintentionally benefit the enemies of America and Israel. And, let me hasten to add that I am rather skeptical of the benefits that Hillary offers to Israel, but I concur that she would be more preferable to Obama on foreign policy matters, including Israel.

    Despite what my friend Eric might say, I am not a Zionist; I support justice for the Palestinian people, provided it does not threaten the security and well-being of Israel. But I have no sympathy for Hamas and Hizbollah, and do not equate them with the Palestinian people.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#5 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 2:08 AM EST
    Curious Stranger

    Care to elaborate on why exactly the terrorists are cheering for Obama? That sounds suspiciously smeary with no evidence presented to back it up.

    New York Republicans, according to an article in the New York Post yesterday, are preparing to attack Senator Obama for his supposed lack of support for Israel. "Obama's commitment to Israel is open to question, and that would help us with Jews," the Post quotes a "prominent New York Republican" as saying. We're no shills for Mr. Obama, but these Republicans haven't checked their facts. At least by our lights, Mr. Obama's commitment to Israel, as he has articulated it so far in his campaign, is quite moving and a tribute to the broad, bipartisan support that the Jewish state has in America.

      Reply#6 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 11:45 AM EST
      Tom Bombadil

      Curious,

      Obama's somewhat naive and impulsive foreign policy initiatives, while well-intended, could potentially be a boon to our enemies.

      With regard to Israel, has Obama commented more about his musings about joining Gaza and West Bank geographically by splitting Israel in half?

      • 3 votes
      #6.1 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 6:00 PM EST
      Curious Stranger

      Citations are good. Where are these musings?

        #6.2 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 11:00 PM EST
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        Curious Stranger

        Is it Obama's plans to prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons and disarm Hezbollah and Hamas that is earning him their support?

          Reply#7 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 11:49 AM EST
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