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Let the enemy decide the rules

Seeded on Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:58 AM EDT
Read ArticleArticle Source: David Bogner - Treppenwitz
world-news, israel, war, middle-east, lebanon, hezbollah, olmert, nasrallah, samir-kuntar
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When attacked by a wild animal you don't negotiate or ask what rules it wants to use in the fight. You strike it down without mercy and without remorse. If you are attacked by a pack of wild animals you fight savagely and without restraint until all of them are dead or neutralized. To do otherwise doesn't mean facing ignominious defeat. It means you move down the food chain and become an entrée!

The only way Israel can regain its deterrence in the region after this recent debacle is to make it clear to all that, from this day forward, we will play by whatever rules our enemies are willing to honor.

No Rules = No Restraint.

If our towns and cities are fair game… so are yours. Don't complain that our weapons are better, or more powerful. You should have thought of that before attacking us.

If you portray the killing of civilians as heroic, then we will surpass you in heroism. Don't cry to the world about your precious civilians and then prepare a national celebration to honor a monster who deliberately destroyed a family, and whose final act before being captured was to gleefully crush the skull of a small child against a rock.

If our soldiers won't enjoy the protections of the Geneva Conventions… neither will yours. A dead prisoner will be worth a dead prisoner in any exchange. If we run out of dead prisoners to trade, we will make more. As you've ably demonstrated today, live prisoners can be unapologetically turned into dead ones quite easily.

The above was written as a reaction to the release yesterday by Israel of Samir Kuntar (plus four other criminals and 200 bodies) to Hezbollah in exchange for the bodies of two dead Israeli soldiers that had been kidnapped and held as ransom, along with the national celebration that occurred in Lebanon to welcome this child-killer back home.

Read the whole thing before you comment (I just quoted a section from the middle). Also, read the followup post by the blogger's wife, Zahava: An Elusive Prophecy. Here is its conclusion:

Throughout all this, one thing remains crystal clear to me: Until such time as Israel's existence is finally recognized and her people are accepted as full and legitimate global citizens, Isaiah's elusive prophecy; 'Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more', will remain nothing more than a bunch of empty words carved in stone outside the United Nations, designed to allow apologists for murderer's to sleep at night.

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Chaya

I really wish we had a government with the balls to do just what the article described!! Right now there are missiles on mountain tops in Lebanon aimed so they can hit our planes and our ships!! I hope that we won't go whining to the U.N. about it!! Somehow - we should find a way to blow them up!! They are being manned by Iranians!

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Reply#1 - Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:12 PM EDT
kpr37

Some in America understand the evil that Israel must deal with everyday and will support whatever the people of Israel must do to protect it's citizens.

I wish you all the the best in this struggle

Kevin

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#1.1 - Sat Jul 19, 2008 10:14 AM EDT
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insert_name_here

You should have thought of that before attacking us.

Pretty much. You reap what you sow.

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Reply#2 - Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:01 AM EDT
MarcusK

I have read both articles, and for what it's worth here's my opinion:

Though it was not ALL Lebanese people who celebrated the murderer as a hero, the government did indeed do so. (majority or not is irrelevant). And since any government, much like ours, is a reflection of the people, then it is inevitable that the Lebanese people be held accountable.

On behalf of myself, and the many others who openly condemned and criticized the celebratory behavior, I apologize.

I also stand witness to the precision and care that Israel has taken to avoid unnecessary civilian casualties across Lebanon, at the time when Hezbollah barbarically launched their missiles into the cities.

Though in my heart I have always wished for peace, the article is in agreement with what I keep telling people: "What do you expect? There is a lion sleeping next to you and you keep poking it... eventually, it will bite you arm off. Who's fault is it? The Lion for being patient enough before losing it? or You, for being an idiot to poke the lion in the first place?" Needless to say I am criticized for such thoughts.

Let us simply hope, that at least, soon, the Prophecy will come true.

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Reply#3 - Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:24 AM EDT
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LGMD

Let us hope, too, that in the final analysis, we will all be correct about just what the prophecy is and what our place in the world will be when that time arrives.

    #3.2 - Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:40 PM EDT
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    Dennis M Wright

    It doesn't work that way, I'm afraid.

    It is an unfair fight in two different ways. Israel is the better armed but the likes of Hamas, Hizbullah etc are not states or regular military forces so not constrained to abide by the Geneva Convention or any other "rules of war".

    Does that mean Israel can sink to their level?

    No. One reason is that it would just be plain wrong ethically and to my mind at odds with the moral teachings of the Torah. Another reason is that it plays into the hands of Israel's enemies who habitually redress the military imbalance by seizing on opportunities to hurt Israel's image in the international media and apply political pressure. Israel can no longer just do what it needs to do to defend itself and stick 2 fingers up to the rest of the world. Those days are gone.

    So I understand the anger and frustration engendered by the likes of Kuntar being free and feted by his government, but Israel has standards and absolutely must stick to them.

    We have the same thing with the IDF soldier firing a rubber bullet at the foot of a Palestinian barrier protester. The Palestinian may have been rioting violently but the IDF must behave properly. No-one knew or cared about the protest, but the rubber bullet incident does terrible damage to Israel's world image. It is a modern advanced democratic state, judged by the world according to different standards than Hizbullah and suchlike. That is the way it is and, frankly, should be.

    It is the way of the terrorist to claim that the ends justify the means. That is what makes them terrorists. Israel must rise above that or be no better than the terrorists.

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