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Filthy Jewish Blood

Seeded on Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:50 AM EST
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There have been many natural disasters in the Muslim world over the past few decades where Israel has offered to provide medical supplies, emergency personnel and... blood. This last bit has always been a sticking point. You see, Jewish blood is considered unacceptable by the people we are supposed to be trying to make peace with. It is, according to them, 'filthy'.

The New York times almost - but not quite - made reference to this seldom discussed fact in the 19th paragraph of an article (link or seed). Here, read the following and tell me if you spot it:

"Israel sent in [to Gaza] some 40 trucks of humanitarian relief, including blood from Jordan and medicine. Egypt opened its border with Gaza to some similar aid and to allow some of the wounded through"

Did you catch it? Why would Israel need to send blood from Jordan? We never have a huge surplus of blood, but we always have some on hand! Is Jordan's medical establishment better prepared than Israel's??? And why would Egypt need to send 'similar aid'? If Israel is controlling everything going in and out of Gaza right now, why are we suddenly talking about sending trucks of our own humanitarian aid... but blood from Jordan and Egypt?

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wmolaw

Great catch.  Good article.

Seems to me that those who will not accept aid from Israel, should not be offered aid.  But is just the vengeful part of me.

  • 19 votes
Reply#2 - Tue Dec 30, 2008 2:16 PM EST
Mystic Chick

And yet there are still those that would apologize for the motives of the Palestinians (even here on Newsvine), saying that the Palestinians' efforts against Israel are based upon land rights alone.

NO.

They hate the Jews because of their "filthy blood." They hate Israel because it is filled with "filthy Jews."

  • 20 votes
Reply#3 - Tue Dec 30, 2008 3:33 PM EST
aRTieA

I am appalled but not surprised. If you are taught to hate a group of people through your religious leaders and teachers, then you will believe that  "that group of people" are evil, inferior, sub-human, etc...

You cannot teach hate and profess any level of tolerance for others, for you, have become the inhuman.

  • 15 votes
Reply#4 - Tue Dec 30, 2008 4:37 PM EST
jazzie2010

So true. Thats the same as Caucasians hating African Americans and other non-white people. Thats a two edged sword, it cuts both ways.

    #4.1 - Thu Jan 1, 2009 2:50 PM EST
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    jsbach

    I got out of a room the other day with myself barely intact as I stood up for the Israelis but no one cared to listen to the stories or the acts committed against Israel.  I'm Catholic and from my perspective, they acted as if no Jewish children had ever died at the hands of the Palestinians.  I truly do not understand what is happening to people here. 

    Yaakov, do not feel you are alone.  There is nothing I can do other than to say how sorry I am you must endure the hatred from others.  I have never seen such a population of people who hate Catholics and Jews.  I do not understand and I probably never will.

    js (susan)

    • 20 votes
    Reply#5 - Tue Dec 30, 2008 4:51 PM EST
    Jojo50

    So many people hate Jews and Israel, and I don't think they really know why. This is so sad, the hatred in the world.

    • 13 votes
    #5.1 - Tue Dec 30, 2008 10:36 PM EST
    jazzie2010

    Hatred is learned behavior. It starts in the home and spreads into every niche of society. There is no such thing as people who  don't understand why there is so much hatred. They understand, but prefer to play the role of the innocent victim and there are no innocent victims unless they are babies or very young children who haven't learned to hate yet.

    • 1 vote
    #5.2 - Thu Jan 1, 2009 2:55 PM EST
    Juno Hera

    Susan, the reporting of the conflicts are so overwhelmingly one-sided that the response you experienced is not surprising. 

    • 7 votes
    #5.3 - Thu Jan 1, 2009 5:28 PM EST
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    Marilyn L

    I was ready to report the article as inflammatory, on the basis of the title. Whew, glad I read it. Keep strong, Yaakov.

    • 18 votes
    Reply#6 - Tue Dec 30, 2008 5:18 PM EST
    patriciaad

    Same here, Marilyn - I was ready to come in and chew someone out... I'm relieved, too.

    • 15 votes
    #6.1 - Tue Dec 30, 2008 7:16 PM EST
    lauhal

    Me three!  Guess it doesn't pay to jump to conclusions!  :)

    • 12 votes
    #6.2 - Tue Dec 30, 2008 7:25 PM EST
    Red Wolf

    Bugger, now I can't find the article. I'm not surprised by this, because I've also run across articles claiming the reverse, that Israel has refused blood because they considered the source (definitely not Palestinian, possibly immigrant Ethiopian) tainted.

    Bloody bureaucracies. Too busy playing their own silly games and damn anyone caught in the middle.

    • 6 votes
    #6.3 - Tue Dec 30, 2008 7:34 PM EST
    krishna-167929

    Bugger, now I can't find the article. I'm not surprised by this, because I've also run across articles claiming the reverse, that Israel has refused blood because they considered the source (definitely not Palestinian, possibly immigrant Ethiopian) tainted.

    Perhaops what is tainted-- is the source of your article?

    But-- its not only Jewish blood. Anti-Semitism is all too common in the Arab world.

    For example-- a sermon broadcast on official Palestinan Authority TV. Video.

    Bloody bureaucracies. Too busy playing their own silly games and damn anyone caught in the middle.

    Bull@!$%#. The issue is not bureaucracy. The issue is the widespread anti-Semitism in the Arab world. And-- bureaucracy or no bureaucracy-- in many cases its encouraged by their governments (or, at best, ignored).

    • 15 votes
    #6.4 - Tue Dec 30, 2008 7:50 PM EST
    Red Wolf

    http://www2.informs.org/Press/EthiopianBlood.html

    http://cira.med.yale.edu/law_policy_ethics/israelethiopia.doc [Google HTML version]

    Unfortunately, I can't find the article I first saw, it was about 12-18 months back and may possibly have been in reference to Israeli reversing a long held policy of rejecting Ethiopian blood without telling the donors.

    • 4 votes
    #6.5 - Tue Dec 30, 2008 8:09 PM EST
    Red Wolf

    Found the article from a couple of years back:

    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=784565

    Hundreds of Israelis of Ethiopian descent demonstrated yesterday in Jerusalem against what they said was blatant discrimination against their community by the state. The protesters clashed with police briefly when they blocked a main road near the Foreign Ministry.

    Eleven protesters suffered injuries in the clashes, as did four officers, and 25 arrests were made.

    The demonstration was sparked by reports in the media last week that the Health Ministry had resumed its policy of discarding Ethiopian blood donated to the Magen David Adom blood bank, because it feared it was contaminated with disease. A decade ago, a similar policy led to protests by the Ethiopian community for what it terms "the policy of discrimination and racism" against its members.

    What's worse is that they didn't refuse to take the blood, they were destroying it post-collection. A lot of countries have criteria for not accepting blood; if you ever taken human growth hormone or were in the UK during a certain period due to possible infection by vCJD which has a really long latent period. But they inform you before they collect your blood, not after the fact, which, if there really was a risk of contamination, puts the blood collection staff at risk.

    • 5 votes
    #6.6 - Tue Dec 30, 2008 8:43 PM EST
    Marilyn L

    I believe the issue was potential HIV positivity. It was a big issue for many years.

    • 8 votes
    #6.7 - Wed Dec 31, 2008 3:32 AM EST
    average mom

    Redwolf -theres a big difference between rejecting blood due to known risk factors and rejecting it due to bigotry and hatred.  I'm not sure what point you are trying to make here.  In 96 we knew a lot less about aids than we do today.  The infection rate in Ethopia in 96 was nearly 20% of adults in Addis Abba.  It's now a little under 10%, but that is still a risk.  Your second article says that they didn't target Ethiopia, but

    Jacobs said Israel followed international criteria that did not specifically target people from Africa, but rather anyone who had spent a considerable amount of time in countries at risk of blood-borne disease, including those who were in Britain during the outbreak of Mad Cow disease

    • 11 votes
    #6.8 - Wed Dec 31, 2008 3:44 AM EST
    Dennis P. McCannDeleted
    Red Wolf

    My issue is that they collected the blood first, rather than following international guidelines of screening donors prior to collection. If there is a risk of contagion, they're increasing the risk of infection this way rather than reducing it. If this was a one off panic over a sudden outbreak, fair enough, but this was an insane bureaucratic cock up going back years.

    The second article is the one I was originally talking about, which took place in 2006, and the people involved seem to be more than a little miffed that, as native born Israelis of Ethiopian descent, their donations of blood were excepted then destroyed in what they perceived to be racist discrimination. They also seem a bit upset about Ethiopian Rabbis getting the short end of the stick.

    • 4 votes
    #6.10 - Wed Dec 31, 2008 4:52 AM EST
    PerpetualAmazement

    The same thing happens in this country.  My sister was an ER nurse and she told me more than once of people asking if the blood they were receiving (or had received while they were unconscious) was from a black or white donor... and those asking were of both races.  The black patients didn't want "white" blood and the white patients didn't want "black" blood.

    • 6 votes
    #6.11 - Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:47 PM EST
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    backroads

    I'd think there would be ample holy blood from those brave Hamas fighters. Well, if they hide behind women and children, perhaps they're afraid of needles.

    • 15 votes
    Reply#7 - Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:13 PM EST
    worldknightboy

    Keep showing the truth, Yaakov, no matter how ugly. It makes a difference over time, every little bit! Anti-semitism has been unchallenged for too long!

    • 17 votes
    Reply#8 - Wed Dec 31, 2008 3:04 AM EST
    jazzie2010

    So has racism worldknightboy.

    • 4 votes
    #8.1 - Thu Jan 1, 2009 3:02 PM EST
    worldknightboy

    I once worked with Saudis, and a bit later with Iranians, over a lengthy period. On an individual level they might be initially mannered on the surface towards westerners and other outsiders, but the more I was around them and the more I became exposed to their culture and beliefs, the more I realized they have an almost nazi-like sense of superiority, and whether one wants to explain it away as cultural or even religious, many of them have utter contempt for other races. Its palpable. I would say the saudis are by far the worst.

    • 9 votes
    #8.2 - Sat Jan 3, 2009 5:21 AM EST
    backroads

    Possibly, an inferiority and repression complex.

    • 3 votes
    #8.3 - Sat Jan 3, 2009 6:24 PM EST
    jimmy havok-596667Deleted
    worldknightboy

    I didn't think at the time it was an inferiority complex in the classic Jungian or Psychoanalytic context, Backroads, at least as pertains to the almost exclusively male groups of Saudis and Iranians I've interacted with. I have had virtually no contact with Saudi females, and only superficial involvement with Iranian females (except a few I know through family marital relationships), but I am sure there's lots of repression going on in many Saudi males, and likely a fair number of Iranian males, at least those living in their home countries. Its more likely, however, that many of the more traditional and culture-bound Saudis and Iranians experience culture shock and a sense of cultural inferiority, mixed with revulsion, towards the west's incredible technological and economic accomplishments, as well as its freedoms and tolerances, which they mostly see as decadence and against islamic, sharia teachings.

    • 3 votes
    #8.5 - Thu Jan 8, 2009 3:13 AM EST
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    jimmy havok-596667Deleted
    TheMichaelDeleted
    John Rawlings

    An interesting article that makes an excellent point. However, such hatred can often be found elsewhere other than in the Arab world, where the desire to eradicate Israel completely has long been both loudly and publically espoused.

    I have often been dismayed and astonished when speaking to some people in the US that are supporters of the "Palestinian cause" at how quickly such a conversation can sometimes turn from opposing Israeli policies to a clear and obvious hatred of anything and everything Jewish.

    70 years ago such people would have been seen wearing swastica pins on their lapels and referring to Chancellor Hitler as a "man of vision".....the best way to convince a man to commit genocide is to convince him that he is dealing with a "bacillus" raher than a human being. Unfortunately, a significant percentage of the world's population now seems to believe exactly that.

    - John

    • 10 votes
    Reply#11 - Wed Dec 31, 2008 11:54 AM EST
    Yaakov

    This reminds me of what happened back in 2004 when there was an earthquak in Iran that killed 20,000 people. Israel was preparing to send a team of specialists who know how to rescue people from demolished buildings (wonder where they go the training), medical assistance, etc, and were turned away by Iran, who wanted no aid from the "Zionist Entity".

    • 12 votes
    Reply#12 - Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:06 PM EST
    Jojo50

    Goes to show you hatred is stronger then peoples lives. Hatred is so rooted in people that it gets in the way of humanity.

    • 7 votes
    #12.1 - Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:10 PM EST
    Maria-789794

    Funny that they will reject the blood but accept organs. Read many instances of palestinian children receiving organs from israeli children. Go figure

    • 6 votes
    #12.2 - Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:47 PM EST
    jimmy havok-596667Deleted
    worldknightboy

    Good point Maria. Friends request sent!

    • 5 votes
    #12.4 - Wed Dec 31, 2008 2:33 PM EST
    backroads

    yaakov, when the U.S. offered quake aid, a prayer leader led his congregation in shouting death to the U.S.

    • 7 votes
    #12.5 - Thu Jan 1, 2009 4:08 AM EST
    jazzie2010

    And your source is???????????? this is for backroads

    • 1 vote
    #12.6 - Thu Jan 1, 2009 3:08 PM EST
    backroads

    I read it on one of the on-line Arab papers.

    • 3 votes
    #12.7 - Thu Jan 1, 2009 10:15 PM EST
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    Maria-789794

    I just did a google search and found out that there are several cases of Palestinians donating organs to Israelis which makes me wonder if the hate is so big why would they care for saving Israeli's lives?

    • 5 votes
    Reply#13 - Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:56 PM EST
    jazzie2010

    Most of the Palestinians are very poor and sell their organs to the Israelis to pay for things or services they would be unable to attain otherwise. It's not so much them hating or loving the Israelis, its a matter of dire need on their part.

    • 2 votes
    #13.1 - Thu Jan 1, 2009 2:42 PM EST
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    Maria-789794

    Just one example. What I really like is the statements from the father: "He said he hoped the gesture would send a message of peace to Israelis and Palestinians. "We're talking about young children. Their religion doesn't make a difference,"

    Palestinian dad proud to donate son's organs to recipients in Israel

    The Associated Press
    Tucson, Arizona | Published: 11.08.2005

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    NABLUS, West Bank - The father of a Palestinian boy shot dead by Israeli soldiers said Monday that he believes his son's spirit is alive in "every Israeli" after donating the boy's organs to Israelis waiting for transplants. Ismail Khatib said he was extremely proud of his decision, even if some corners of Palestinian society might be upset with him. "No one can tell me what to do," he said. "I feel very good that my son's organs are helping six Israelis. … I feel that my son has entered the heart of every Israeli." Khatib's son Ahmed, 12, was shot Thursday while Israeli troops conducted a raid in Jenin. The soldiers said the boy was carrying a toy rifle and they mistook him for a militant. Ahmed died of his wounds late Saturday at an Israeli hospital. On Sunday, his kidneys, liver, lungs and heart were transplanted into recipients ranging in age from a 7-month-old baby to a 58-year-old woman and including Jews, Arabs and a Druse girl. Khatib said the decision to donate Ahmed's organs was rooted in his memories of his brother, who died at age 24 while waiting for a liver transplant, and in his family's desire to help others regardless of their nationality. He said he hoped the gesture would send a message of peace to Israelis and Palestinians. "We're talking about young children. Their religion doesn't make a difference," he said. Some Palestinians privately questioned the donation, especially in light of the circumstances of the boy's death. But Khatib, a car mechanic, said his fellow residents in the Jenin refugee camp offered him only praise. Israel has a chronic shortage of donor organs that many medical officials attribute to Jewish religious taboos against such donations. Riad Gadban, whose 12-year-old daughter, Samah, had been waiting five years for a heart, called the donation a "gesture of love." He said his daughter was weak Monday but had opened her eyes, was alert and speaking to relatives. Gadban, whose family belongs to Israel's Arabic-speaking Druse community, said he spoke to an uncle of the boy Monday. "I told him I'm very sorry and thanked the family from the depths of my heart," he said, adding that he invited Ahmed's family to visit him

    • 3 votes
    Reply#14 - Wed Dec 31, 2008 1:01 PM EST
    Wizeguy

    You and your comrades manage to stabilize him and carry him on a stretcher to a mobile surgical unit (think M.A.S.H.)

    There was an episode of M.A.S.H. just like this. The soldier dind't want any of that "dark" blood. So Hawkeye & BJ used tinture of iodine to make him look like he got a real bad tan. They told him they accidently gave him a unit of "dark" blood. The guy freaked out.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#15 - Wed Dec 31, 2008 2:49 PM EST
    average mom

    lol!  thanks for the shot of humor!

    • 2 votes
    #15.1 - Wed Dec 31, 2008 5:50 PM EST
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    biggerthebetter-620467

    People of all religions can be bigoted and hateful.  Toward other religions, toward women, etc.

    Rabbi Ovadia Yoseph addressed this problem at length in his new book, Questions and Answers - Statements: "Blood that comes from forbidden [that is, non-kosher] foods may cause a negative effect upon its Jewish recipients. It may produce bad qualities, such as cruelty and/or boldness ... Therefore, a pious Jew, who does urgently need a transfusion and who faces no danger in waiting to receive blood from a strictly religious Jew, should wait." Rabbi Yoseph offered similar advice for those pious Jews needing organ transplants; he advised them only to accept such donations from other pious Jews. This dictate erupted into a serious dispute among rabbis in Israel and astonished many secular Jews. In another published article, Albaum reported that Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu, a former chief rabbi of Israel, disagreed with Rabbi Yoseph and stated: "When a secular Jew is born, he is born with kosher blood and all the forbidden foods that he later eats are dissolved and made marginal in his blood." In regard to non-Jews, however, Rabbi Eliyahu mostly agreed with Rabbi Yoseph and held that religious Jews should attempt to avoid blood donations from them. Rabbi Eliyabu did not totally forbid blood donations for Jews from non-Jews. He stated:

    It is permitted at certain times that Jews receive blood, or in the case of sucklings mother's milk, from non-Jews, in spite of the fact that such blood is detrimental to their Jewish characteristics and spirit. This is because blood is transferred slowly and is made marginal in the cycling of Jewish blood in the body. Nevertheless, when possible, a Jew should avoid receiving such blood.

    Rabbi Sheinberger finally admitted that such rulings constituted the primary reason for his request: "The Haredi community has a problem in this area. For the Haredim blood from a Jew who eats only kosher food is preferable to blood from a Jew who does not observe dietary laws." Other Haredi rabbis agreed. Rabbi Levy Yitzhak Halperin, the head of the Scientific Religious Institute for Jewish Law Problems explained: "Blood donations from non-Jews or from Jews who eat forbidden foods are a problem. Jewish religious law holds that a Jewish child should preferably not be breast fed by a non-Jewish woman because her milk consists of forbidden food and contaminates the Jewish child." Such positions and statements antagonized secular Jews and met great opposition from the great majority of members of the Israeli medical profession.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#17 - Wed Dec 31, 2008 11:42 PM EST
    jimmy havok-596667Deleted
    jazzie2010

    I'm with you jimmy havok596667

    • 1 vote
    #17.2 - Thu Jan 1, 2009 3:09 PM EST
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    iluvmyblog

    Finally an article that tells the truth about the feud between the Israelis and Palestinians. Great article Yaakov!

    • 6 votes
    Reply#18 - Thu Jan 1, 2009 11:55 PM EST
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