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Israel, the Flotilla and International Waters

Mon May 31, 2010 10:24 AM EDT
world-news, israel, gaza, international-law, flotilla, blockade, mediterranean, international-waters
By Yaakov

A "Peaceful humanitarian activist" (source)

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Among the various statements of outrage targeted at Israel, many point to Israel's confronting the "flotilla" ships in international waters as a sign of Israel's guilt.

I direct your attention to the San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea. Specifically, paragraph 67-68:

67. Merchant vessels flying the flag of neutral States may not be attacked unless they:

(a) are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture;
(b) engage in belligerent acts on behalf of the enemy;<
(c) act as auxiliaries to the enemy s armed forces;
(d) are incorporated into or assist the enemy s intelligence system;
(e) sail under convoy of enemy warships or military aircraft; or
(f) otherwise make an effective contribution to the enemy s military action, e.g., by carrying military materials, and it is not feasible for the attacking forces to first place passengers and crew in a place of safety. Unless circumstances do not permit, they are to be given a warning, so that they can re-route, off-load, or take other precautions.

So these were ostensibly merchant vessels who were flying the flags of neutral states (since Turkey and Greece have not declared that they officially side with Hamas in their war for Israel's destruction). However, there was definitely reasonable grounds to believe that they were carrying contraband and breaching a blockade (since that was there very public, stated intention). After receiving prior warning (see this YouTube video) they intentionally refused to stop (I heard that they just radioed back curses in Arabic and English), and they quite clearly resisted visit, search or capture.

So this would have legitimized an attack by Israel on the vessels themselves, pursuant to paragraphs 38-46 of the treaty - note: Israel did not attack the vessels, they merely sought to prevent them from breaching the naval blockade of Gaza and redirect them to the Port of Ashdod where their supposed humanitarian supplies would then be rerouted to Gaza, along with the rest of the aid that goes in every day to not-so-starved Gaza.

With regards to Neutral waters:

14. Neutral waters consist of the internal waters, territorial sea, and, where applicable, the archipelagic waters, of neutral States. Neutral airspace consists of the airspace over neutral waters and the land territory of neutral States.

So Neutral waters would be waters of a neutral state. This is not a valid description of the location of the confrontation between Israel and the boats.

So now that we have established that this did not take place in Neutral waters, look at the following:

118. In exercising their legal rights in an international armed conflict at sea, belligerent warships and military aircraft have a right to visit and search merchant vessels outside neutral waters where there are reasonable grounds for suspecting that they are subject to capture.

119. As an alternative to visit and search, a neutral merchant vessel may, with its consent, be diverted from its declared destination.

So according to this, since this did not take place in Neutral waters, and there were reasonable ground for suspecting that the ships are subject to capture (see analysis of paragraph 67, above), Israel was fully within its rights to go so far as to capture the vessels in question (they did offer to divert to Ashdod, which was rejected by the captains of said vessels).

The material above makes it clear (at least in my opinion) that Israels actions, if not justified, are at least not immediately guilty in both their intent and location.

And international law itself is always a tricky topic - after all, if a country does not sign on to a treaty governing any specific agreement, how can one say that their violation of said treaty would be a violation of International Law? International Law defined by any treaty or agreement only applies to countries who agree to the precepts of said treaty or agreement. Which makes it even more difficult to indict Israel on the basis of interpretations of the San Remo Manual, being that Israel (and Turkey and Greece) is not even a signatory. Similarly, Israel is not a signatory of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, which seems to take a harsher view of these types of actions in International waters (thus a violation of the precepts of this UN convention by Israel would not be in violation of International law, as Israel never signed on the dotted line).

Israel's position: See the official response by the Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs (seed). Most pertinent for our case:

7. Under international maritime law, when a maritime blockade is in effect, no boats can enter the blockaded area. That includes both civilian and enemy vessels.

8. A state may take action to enforce a blockade. Any vessel that violates or attempts to violate a maritime blockade may be captured or even attacked under international law. The US Commander's Handbook on the Law of Naval Operations sets forth that a vessel is considered to be in attempt to breach a blockade from the time the vessel leaves its port with the intention of evading the blockade.

9. Here we should note that the protesters indicated their clear intention to violate the blockade by means of written and oral statements. Moreover, the route of these vessels indicated their clear intention to violate the blockade in violation of international law.

10. Given the protesters explicit intention to violate the naval blockade, Israel exercised its right under international law to enforce the blockade. It should be noted that prior to undertaking enforcement measures, explicit warnings were relayed directly to the captains of the vessels, expressing Israel's intent to exercise its right to enforce the blockade.

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moshawn

I am sorry to say that those who boldly accept the criminal act on the part of state apparatus of Israel are really suffering from a mental sickness.

This act of murder by Israelis on innocent cannot be justified at all in any way or form. Their statement to justfy an act of murder is a proof of the premeditated crime that has been committed with belligrence by their state apparatus.

  • 14 votes
#1 - Mon May 31, 2010 10:42 AM EDT
grundik

you are making a really big assumption by calling them "innocent"

  • 11 votes
#1.1 - Mon May 31, 2010 1:16 PM EDT
Kshark

Awwww come on Yaakov, you know the media and most people do not want the truth, they just want to blame Israel without the facts.

  • 15 votes
#1.2 - Mon May 31, 2010 4:04 PM EDT
Buzz of the Orient

I am sorry to say that those who boldly accept the criminal act on the part of state apparatus of Israel are really suffering from a mental sickness.

Are you unable to understand the law? Read the article again WITHOUT a prejudiced mind. Mental sickness would be more attributable to people who cannot understand what they read (well, or perhaps just plain ignorance).

This act of murder by Israelis on innocent cannot be justified at all in any way or form.

I always understood that self-defence was not murder.

Their statement to justfy an act of murder is a proof of the premeditated crime that has been committed with belligrence by their state apparatus.

What a laugh. If you want to know what "premeditated" was in this case, you need look no further than the obvious intention of the flotilla. How do you feel about the flotilla "mules" indicating beforehand that they would remain peaceful no matter what? They call that "ambush" do they not?

  • 11 votes
#1.3 - Mon May 31, 2010 9:50 PM EDT
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And you Moshawn ...#1...and all the rest of you anti semite hate mongers, are suffering from a lifetime of being spoonfed lies and propaganda. You wouldn't know what the truth is if it was visually happening in front of you. This whole thing was a set up from the beginning so you and your friends can cry WOLF once again.

The world is catching on to your devious ploys and are not as easily suckered in as they used to be. Your Gazan cousins appear to be well fed by the gracious contributions of the world, mostly the USA, and the smallest contributor being Saudi Arabia, so get off the kick that Gazans are starving!

  • 7 votes
#1.4 - Fri Jun 4, 2010 9:21 PM EDT
800 lb. gorilla

they are bringing sticks with them. bomb them all. they have slingshots and rocks. shoot them dead. those guys in the tar paper shacks threw some stuff at us. did it hit you? no. ah, kill only 20 or 30 of them by gunfire then. that sounds about right.

  • 1 vote
#1.5 - Tue Jun 8, 2010 2:01 PM EDT
Slinger-958418

anti semite hate mongers

Wow, that didn't take long did it? Why is it that no one can criticize or question the actions of the Israeli's without being labeled a Semite?

These series of articles are only coming out now, so the Government of Israel can Justify their actions to the International community with how it handled this flotilla.

They handled it poorly, even the top brass have admitted it. Same old rhetoric and lies coming from the Terror State of Israel. They try to justify everything, illegal blockades, shooting innocent civilians, bulldozing Palestinians houses so they can give to their own citizens....it goes on and on. Israel is NOT innocent, it is the perpetrator to the conflict in the Middle East.

    #1.6 - Mon Jan 24, 2011 1:44 PM EST
    Wheel

    1.4 reported as inflammatory nonsense.

    • 1 vote
    #1.7 - Mon Jan 24, 2011 7:54 PM EST
    krishna-167929

    These series of articles are only coming out now,

    Guess you didn't check the date of this article.

    Its not all that difficult to do-- just scroll up a bit-- the date is near the top right of the page! :-)

    Try it Slinger-958418-- its really not all that difficult to do!

    • 2 votes
    #1.8 - Mon Jan 24, 2011 8:11 PM EST
    Slinger-958418

    It's also stated as opinion, that in itself says it all.

      #1.9 - Mon Jan 24, 2011 8:23 PM EST
      ed-1874584

      1.4 reported as inflammatory nonsense.

      Just to keep it balanced, 1.5 reported as inflammatory nonsense. :)

      • 1 vote
      #1.10 - Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:29 AM EST
      Elbonian

      The real problem, seems to me, is that Israel is unable to ever admit that anything it does is really, really wrong. Israel will admit some minor errors and then move on, never addressing the major blunders and deliberate illegalities which their government now institutionalizes with whitewashing.

      In my mind, the 2-state solution is an impossibility because Israel's settlement policies and the wall Israel has built have made the 2-state solution totally impossible. And yet, everything Israel does is claimed to be advancing the ultimate goal of the 2-state solution, even though most of the associated acts actually operate to destroy any and all possibilities of ever achieving such a goal.

      Anyway, the flotilla was still in International waters and Israel has no good reason to be keeping non-military cargo out of Gaza. Whatever justification there was for boarding the flotilla, there is no justification for the continued incarceration of 1.5 million Gaza residents within the confines of the largest prison camp system since the Nazi horrors of WW II.

      • 2 votes
      #1.11 - Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:12 PM EST
      Buzz of the Orient

      there is no justification for the continued incarceration of 1.5 million Gaza residents within the confines of the largest prison camp system since the Nazi horrors of WW II.

      There always seems to be someone new and naive coming on board who thinks that this:

      http://www.qualityinformationpublishers.com/naziconcentrationcamppictures.aspx

      is what Gaza can be compared to, when THIS is Gaza:

      http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/new-york-times-says-theres-no-crisis-in-gaza-after-all/question-1221673/

      http://www.examiner.com/israel-conflict-in-new-york/gaza-living-standard-exceeds-egypt-s

      http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/mideastdispatches/archives/000973.html

      You don't believe it elbonian, then go see it for yourself. I'm jealous if you eat a meal at the Roots Club, it has a fantastic menu. Then take a tour of Auschvitz, but I wouldn't do it the other way around because you just might lose your appetite.

      • 6 votes
      #1.12 - Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:22 PM EST
      Elbonian

      Buzz: I didn't say it equalled; I carefully said "since."

      • 1 vote
      #1.13 - Fri Jan 28, 2011 12:58 AM EST
      Buzz of the Orient

      Buzz: I didn't say it equalled; I carefully said "since."

      Then you should not even have used the term "prison camp system". That is the term that may be used by the propagandists, but it is no prison camp.

      • 4 votes
      #1.14 - Sat Jan 29, 2011 1:34 AM EST
      Elbonian

      ... but it is no prison camp.

      That may be your opinion, but I do not believe that is a factually accurate statement.

      Gaza is surrounded by Israeli military who keep the Palestinians in and outsiders out. This is very prison-like. The Israeli military also exercises this same control over the West Bank, even prohibiting Palestinians from approaching the border with Jordan (the River Jordan) without permission.

      Yes, a few privileged Palestinians can come and go as they please (members of the PA, mostly). But there are always finks in any prison population.

      It is still the case that anybody inside who tries to get out without permission is likely to be killed. And we know that anybody who tries to get in without permission will be at least arrested and possibly killed.

      How can that NOT be like a prison camp?

      • 3 votes
      #1.15 - Sun Jan 30, 2011 1:48 AM EST
      Buzz of the Orient

      Well, then let us make the assumption that you are correct that going and coming are restricted. However, before the Gazans voted Hamas into power (or they TOOK it, whichever is correct) the life of the Gazans was not so terrible. I have read reports from Gazans who were pretty happy before, could come and go, could work at good jobs in Israel, and had money to spare. I guess then it is just of case of people ignorantly shooting themselves in the foot. Maybe the Egyptians, who are rioting due to dissatisfaction with their government, might show the Gazans the way out of what you call their "prison".

      • 1 vote
      #1.16 - Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:51 AM EST
      Elbonian

      Buzz: Are you interested to know what keeps the people of Gaza loyal to Hamas? It is the fact that the Israelis are keeping Gaza as a prison camp. A population under seige will always accept governance by a militant dictatorship. Yes, I believe that Hamas was actually voted into power, and it wasn't just in Gaza, it was in the whole of Gaza and the West Bank. The US and Israel refused to accept Hamas, so the Israelis arrested as many Hamas as they could and the US encouraged Fatah to stage a coup against Hamas. As things turned out, the coup succeeded in the West Bank and failed in Gaza. Instead, Hamas threw out, killed, or otherwise disposed of Fatah folks in Gaza, thus effectively dividing the West Bank and Gaza as much as East and West Pakistan were divided before Bangladesh threw off governance from the remote capital of modern Pakistan.

      Anyway, yeah, there were times between 1967 and 2000 when Gaza and the West Bank were used as a source of cheap labor for Israel. However, the collapse of the Soviet Union allowed a lot of poor Jews to escape from former Soviet countries, so all-of-a-sudden there wasn't any need any longer for cheap Arab workers inside of Israel. This is one of the sad side-effects of the end of the Cold War. If the Israelis had continued to employ the Palestinians, they might have learned to get along better. As the Palestinians lost their jobs inside of Israel, they revolted (the First Intefadah (sp?)) and that gave Israel all the excuse it needed to totally cut off the Palestinians from Israel proper. Gaza was already walled-in, so the Israelis built another wall around the West Bank, turning Palestinian areas into huge prison camps.

      The bottom line here is that even if the people in Gaza were able to successfully revolt against Hamas, they almost certainly would not do so in order to bring back into power the corrupt Fatah folks, which leads us to the same sort of leaderless revolt that is going on in Egypt. A leaderless revolt is always dangerous for everybody in the nation because the person who comes to power is almost certainly the most-brutal sort of a military dictator.

      And "the good old days" where Palestinians had jobs inside of Israel are never coming back, no matter what, for the reason explained above.

      But Gaza doesn't need Israel to become wealthy. It has a beautiful international airport that has never been used. It has a lot of beautiful oceanfront property. A port would be no big deal to construct. Gaza could become an Arab paradise better than Monaco is to France.

      But it isn't going to happen because Israel keeps Gaza as a prison camp and that very fact radicalizes the population so as to make peace impossible, which seems to be exactly what Israel wishes for Gaza. Too bad; so sad.

      • 2 votes
      #1.17 - Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:46 AM EST
      Buzz of the Orient

      Firstly, Elbonian, I want to thank you for the trouble to which you went to give me your concept of the history of the situation. I do not disagree with it, although I may or may not agree with your explanation or interpretation of it. It is plausible, and because of that I will not make any more comments here that disagree with it.

      By the way, there is more than one situation in which entry and exit of a place can be restricted, besides a prison - for example, a mental ward in a hospital.

      • 3 votes
      #1.18 - Sun Jan 30, 2011 12:31 PM EST
      Elbonian

      OK, Buzz, but as the charge is "terrorism" as the reason for restricted access, mental illness is less of an explanation than is prison. I've never heard of anybody seriously stating that terrorism is a mental illness that might be cureable.

        #1.19 - Sun Jan 30, 2011 7:22 PM EST
        Yaakov

        @Elbonian: "How can that NOT be like a prison camp?"

        This is how.

        • 1 vote
        #1.20 - Tue Feb 8, 2011 9:43 AM EST
        Buzz of the Orient

        Thanks, Yaakov, I was looking for that link. Unfortunately it does not include a photo of the tents and thrown together shacks that the Western press is directed to when doing stories about Gaza.

        • 1 vote
        #1.21 - Tue Feb 8, 2011 12:33 PM EST
        Elbonian

        Yaakov: I believe that is a fake site put together by some Israeli propagandists. I can't find any independent third-party verification of the facts you allege. Also, the "gazamall.ps" web site domain name doesn't follow the stated domain name structure for the .ps domain name space and the alleged Palestinian domain name registry web site doesn't have a web site which works properly, including a conveniently inoperable WHOIS function.

        Buzz: You might as well be calling the UN authorities operating in Gaza "liars" because the reports they produce are entirely at odds with your interpretation of the situation. Needless to say, I disagree entirely and stand by the reports of the UN authorities.

        • 1 vote
        #1.22 - Tue Feb 8, 2011 10:59 PM EST
        Buzz of the Orient

        We are all entitled to our opinion of the UN. You may respect it and I have the right to disrespect it for its bias.

        • 2 votes
        #1.23 - Tue Feb 8, 2011 11:09 PM EST
        Yaakov

        Elbonian: presumably the results of the Google search for "Gaza Mall" are also the work of some Israeli propagandists. As is these articles in the NY Times, HuffPo, and AP.

        Your forensic work on the format of the domain name for the Gaza Mall website is also quite impressive.

          #1.24 - Wed Feb 9, 2011 2:06 AM EST
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          aRTieA

          Thanks for clarifying the legal aspects.

          • 18 votes
          Reply#2 - Mon May 31, 2010 10:42 AM EDT
          800 lb. gorilla

          yes, legally they may wipe out others that pose very little threat to them. isn't the law great?

          • 1 vote
          #2.1 - Tue Jun 8, 2010 2:02 PM EDT
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          Capt_Caveman

          This is the first reasonable article I have read from the pro Israel side on this issue.

          It isnt full of "the entire world hates us", "the flotilla were terrorists", "israel was attacked first".

          It actually has facts and not a ton of emotion, unlike the rest of the articles on this subject.

          • 13 votes
          Reply#3 - Mon May 31, 2010 11:25 AM EDT
          Mobius

          This law is applicable to "armed conflicts at sea." With whom is Israel in a naval war that this would apply? Israel does have a blockade of Gaza, but the blockade is not part of a war with Gaza, so this law doesn't seem appropriate.

          • 6 votes
          #4 - Mon May 31, 2010 12:29 PM EDT
          aRTieA

          Perhaps you can present your qualifications as an international law expert.

          Because I have an important quaestion. What constitutes a state of war between two entities?

          • 12 votes
          #4.1 - Mon May 31, 2010 5:58 PM EDT
          Kshark

          Aside from the fact that most countries in the area really do not want Israel there. When the Israeli Navy questioned and warned the flotilla to ID themselves and to follow such and such procedures, all was denied, that causes suspicion right there.

          According to the ICRC if a merchant vessel refuses an order to stop that merchant vessel is then rendered a military objective.

          Israel is perpetually in hostile engagements due to everything around them.

          Part of the other problem is, the Muslims, especially terrorists are not attached to any country army they are not considered a legit army of their state so they wouldn't really be under the warfare category as they are not of am armed force of a state. So then what would you do.

          However, if need be this is the UN International Law of The Oceans and the Law of the Sea.

          • 9 votes
          #4.2 - Mon May 31, 2010 7:34 PM EDT
          XNihil0Zer0

          4th Geneva Convention Part III : Status and treatment of protected persons Section I: Provisions common to the territories of the parties to the conflict and to occupied territories

          Article 33

          No protected person may be punished for an offence he or she has not personally committed. Collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited.
          Pillage is prohibited.
          Reprisals against protected persons and their property are prohibited.

          Obviously continued terrorism by Islamic groups is in violation of this article, but that does not give Israel the right to impose collective punishment as they have through this blockade.

          • 5 votes
          #4.3 - Mon May 31, 2010 7:57 PM EDT
          sscott

          http://sscottyapp.newsvine.com/_news/2010/05/31/4443686-close-up-footage-of-flotilla-passengers-attacking-israeli-soldiers

          • 5 votes
          #4.4 - Mon May 31, 2010 8:04 PM EDT
          XNihil0Zer0

          Except the blockade is illegal, so Israel was not justified in boarding the boat.

          • 5 votes
          #4.5 - Mon May 31, 2010 8:12 PM EDT
          sscott

          Wrong the blockade is not illegal, neither is ours of Cuba.

          It was put in place because of the constant barrage of rockets into Israel.

          Are you trying to say they have no right to try to stop the rockets?

          • 10 votes
          #4.6 - Mon May 31, 2010 8:17 PM EDT
          XNihil0Zer0

          Wrong the blockade is not illegal, neither is ours of Cuba.

          We don't blockade Cuba, we have an embargo against it.

          It was put in place because of the constant barrage of rockets into Israel.

          I love it when people try to use security as an excuse to take away freedom. Since rocket attacks began in 2001, 16 people have been killed by rockets in Israel, and 12 have been killed in the former settlements. In response Israel launched Operation Cast:Lead. 330 combatants, 248 police officers, and 773 civilians were killed, 119 of which were under the age of 11. 20,000 were displaced and their homes have not been rebuilt because Israel has only let a couple hundred tons of cement into Gaza so far this year (it's estimated that 70,000 tons are needed per month). Industry has collapsed and unemployment has risen to above 40%.

          Are you trying to say they have no right to try to stop the rockets?

          I'm saying they have no right to punish 1.5 million people for the actions of a few terrorists according to Article 33 of the 4th Geneva convention.

          • 5 votes
          #4.7 - Mon May 31, 2010 9:20 PM EDT
          sscott

          Like I said, every rocket into Israel should be countered with a more powerful missile shot back.

          After maybe 10-20 thousand dead, they would stop the rockets.

          It's very easy to understand. If the Palestinians put down their weapons today, there would be Peace tomorrow. If the Israelis put down theres, there would be no Israel tomorrow.

          • 11 votes
          #4.8 - Mon May 31, 2010 9:47 PM EDT
          Buzz of the Orient

          XNihil0Zer0
          Think of the blockade of Cuba at the time of the missile crisis, when JFK was POTUS. It was there to prevent the shipment of missiles to Cuba, that could have been used to fire at the USA. Do you deny that it was a necessary move on the part of the USA? In fact, it worked, it did what it was supposed to do. The USSR had to turn back, and then the missile sites were dismantled.
          Now, how is that different from what Israel is doing? Rockets and missiles are constantly being fired at Israel from Gaza.

          Not so long ago Israel boarded a ship that was loaded with missiles that were probably provided by Iran and were headed to Hezbollah or Hamas. Anyone with a modicum of brains would know that it is necessary to inspect boats entering the Israeli/Gaza coastline.

          • 9 votes
          #4.9 - Mon May 31, 2010 10:35 PM EDT
          Buzz of the Orient

          I'm saying they have no right to punish 1.5 million people for the actions of a few terrorists according to Article 33 of the 4th Geneva convention.

          The people of Gaza have collectively punished themselves for having put into power a "few terrorists" (sarc) that have a sworn policy to destroy Israel.

          • 6 votes
          #4.10 - Mon May 31, 2010 10:43 PM EDT
          XNihil0Zer0

          sscott

          Now I understand why your name begins with ss. It's been awhile since I've read such a monstrous suggestion here on the vine. You've just suggested that Israel adopt an open policy of reprisal. The Nazis did the same thing, and their use of it is the very reason that article 33 was included in the Geneva conventions. In many countries, when a German was killed by a member of the resistance in an occupied town, it was common for between 10 and 50 random civilians to be executed. Oh, also it didn't work, it only caused greater support for the resistance.

          Do you deny that it was a necessary move on the part of the USA?

          Buzz

          It was a prudent move. The U.S. let by every ship that was not carrying weapons because they did not want to threaten the stability of the economy like the Soviets had during the Berlin blockade.Preventing weapons is only a minor part of Israel's blockade policy, it's mainly an attempt to reduce support for Hamas. About a quarter of the goods are allowed into Gaza today than before the blockade, and the economy has suffered greatly.

          The Soviets were deploying 6 R-12 and 3 R-14 ballistic missiles with a total yield of around 19.8 megatons.Most of the 8600 rockets fired at Israel carry between 1 and 15 lbs of explosive for a maximum of yield of 129,000 lbs. That's only about 300,000 times the explosive power. Not to mention that Israel now has the Iron Dome system which can shoot almost everything thrown at them out of the sky.

          The people of Gaza have collectively punished themselves for having put into power a "few terrorists" (sarc) that have a sworn policy to destroy Israel.

          Well, there are supposed to be PLC elections this year, but the conflict between the parties has postponed them. We'll see how punishing a population effect their votes.

          • 4 votes
          #4.11 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 1:14 AM EDT
          Jason - Atlanta, GA

          Just because Israel builds Bomb Shelters for the entire Israeli population, including the Arab citizens of Israel, and equips towns with an Early Warning system that allows the population a whole 15 seconds to run to a shelter, reducing Israeli casualties, does not negate the fact that every rocket launched into Israel is done with the intent to kill as many people as possible.

          Also, you are forgetting the whole point of terrorism. Point being, you don't have to actually kill anyone to terrorize an area. Israel has every right, in fact an obligation to do everything in its power to stop the rockets, be it a blockade, or an armed incursion to stop the attacks.

          Israel offered the option for the Flotilla to dock in either Israel or Egypt and have the cargo transferred over land crossings used by the UN and International Red Cross everyday, after the cargo was inspected for prohibited items.

          • 4 votes
          #4.12 - Wed Jun 2, 2010 3:57 PM EDT
          Yaakov

          Israel offered the option for the Flotilla to dock in either Israel or Egypt and have the cargo transferred over land crossings used by the UN and International Red Cross everyday, after the cargo was inspected for prohibited items.

          And now that the cargo is in Israel, Hamas is refusing to accept it!

          • 7 votes
          #4.13 - Wed Jun 2, 2010 4:04 PM EDT
          blaze1024

          And now that the cargo is in Israel, Hamas is refusing to accept it!

          Yeah among other things the Israelis kept the batteries for the electric wheelchairs making them useless and you wonder why they refused them. This is exactly why the flotilla was trying to deliver the aid directly to Gaza they knew the Israels would keep most of it. What good are electric wheelchairs without the batteries

          • 1 vote
          #4.14 - Thu Jun 3, 2010 9:24 AM EDT
          Jalmeno

          the Israelis kept the batteries for the electric wheelchairs

          Source, please.

          Sucks being wrong, doesn't it? The terrorists finally got caught, RED HANDED, doing what they do best. Spin all you like. You've been outed.

          • 7 votes
          #4.15 - Thu Jun 3, 2010 9:44 AM EDT
          blaze1024

          The terrorists finally got caught, RED HANDED

          Are you a paid shill? Seriously do you work for the Israeli defense ministry because thats exactly the type of Pro-Israeli spin we would expect to see from one of their paid shills.

          So now everyone on the aid ships was a "terrorists" WOW you shills love the word "terrorist"?

          Are you accusing Former U.S. Ambassador Edward Peck of being a terrorist? because he was on one of the boats hijacked by the IDF and he has an interesting story to tell. Unfortunately for you its real damaging to the Israeli government version of events.

          You can see his interview here

          Peck: Flotilla raid was 'highly suspect

          Source, please.

          Well I saw it on CNN last night but a quick Google search pulled up about 2500 pages so take your choice heres the first one Now If you don't like it there are about 2500 other articles on the subject to chose from

          • 1 vote
          #4.16 - Thu Jun 3, 2010 11:24 AM EDT
          Jalmeno

          Cling, cling, cling.

          The facts are out, and you're still whining about specious arguments being made by Peck, a known anti-Israel shill.

          Get over it already. It was a failed terrorist mission. The U.N. can't even get any hate traction on this. Why do you think that is? It's because it's not even close to incriminating Israel of ANY major wrongdoing.

          Game over.

          Better luck next time.

          Not.

          • 4 votes
          #4.17 - Thu Jun 3, 2010 12:08 PM EDT
          blaze1024

          Game over.

          Only in your dreams

          The game has only just started. The truth is coming out and it wont be good for the Israeli image of truthfulness. While you might like to easily dismiss Peck as not credible or biased. The fact still remains that he was a US ambassador in the middle east for many year and as such he has been afforded the credibility and respect that the title of US ambassador carries. As such others won't be so quick to discount his testimony.

          • 1 vote
          #4.18 - Fri Jun 4, 2010 4:18 AM EDT
          krishna-167929

          The truth is coming out and it wont be good for the Israeli image of truthfulness. While you might like to easily dismiss Peck as not credible or biased. The fact still remains that he was a US ambassador in the middle east for many year and as such he has been afforded the credibility and respect that the title of US ambassador carries. As such others won't be so quick to discount his testimony.

          {yawn...}

          • 7 votes
          #4.19 - Fri Jun 4, 2010 4:28 AM EDT
          blaze1024

          @krishna your post marked as no value

          By the way its interesting to see how hard and tirelessly Israel's Army of Bloggers is working on spinning and distort this issue.

          The Immigrant Absorption Ministry announced on Sunday it was setting up an "army of bloggers," to be made up of Israelis who speak a second language, to represent Israel in "anti-Zionist blogs" in English, French, Spanish and German.

          http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/israel-recruits-army-of-bloggers-to-combat-anti-zionist-web-sites-1.268393

            #4.20 - Fri Jun 4, 2010 6:21 AM EDT
            Dennis M Wright

            Right, so you think the barrage of anti-Israel BS now blitzing cyberspace is OK but when someone tries to counter that by setting the record straight it's cheating in some way?

            It doesn't work that way. You don't get to spout rubbish and quash the response.

            • 3 votes
            #4.21 - Tue Jun 8, 2010 4:34 AM EDT
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            Mister Joshua

            I think it's very obvious that when one deliberately attempts to run a blockade, you are going to run into resistance. I have very little doubt that the Israeli commandos' account abou the "activists" arming themselves with clubs, knives, and small arms is accurate. It seems that this negative press converage, occurring a week before when Prime Minister Netanyahu is set to visit the White House, is exactly what the protestors wanted: to provoke an international incident.

            • 10 votes
            Reply#5 - Mon May 31, 2010 12:52 PM EDT
            db7

            we still stop boats from docking in cuba!!!!!

            • 2 votes
            Reply#6 - Mon May 31, 2010 1:10 PM EDT
            db7

            who in the middle east does not cary a weapon?

              Reply#7 - Mon May 31, 2010 1:11 PM EDT
              Yaakov

              Me

              • 12 votes
              #7.1 - Mon May 31, 2010 1:13 PM EDT
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              analog ninja

              Curious that the Israeli government feels fit to create their own definitions in this case to the legality of blockade enforcement that fall outside of the international standard...
              Also define enemy vessels, since the vessel was registered to turkey, does this mean that a state of war exists with the republic of turkey? of course it doesn't, but that is why this entire position on actions of enforcement by the i.d.f in this case are moot and worthless with regards to international laws.
              The position of sovereign action become invalid if international norms are not met.
              What I find interesting is that most people in the loop with regards to the humanitarian flotillas were aware of this mission, and despite previously turning vessels away, in this case the i.d.f choose this action, strange business.

              • 5 votes
              Reply#8 - Mon May 31, 2010 1:38 PM EDT
              grundik

              i believe it was pretty clear that the turkish ship did not heed the warnings and refused to "turn away" to be diverted, and given their statements prior to the confrontation, as well as the weapons that they had on the ship, they were going in for a fight.

              • 6 votes
              #8.1 - Mon May 31, 2010 1:56 PM EDT
              krishna-167929

              as well as the weapons that they had on the ship

              The fact that these so-called "peace-activists" had wweapons-- and the fact that they initiated the violence-- is key in understanding what happened.

              • 14 votes
              #8.2 - Mon May 31, 2010 4:41 PM EDT
              LonoKemp

              The fact that these so-called "peace-activists" had wweapons-- and the fact that they initiated the violence-- is key in understanding what happened.

              I take it you're not too big on the second amendment over here in the states, huh?

              • 2 votes
              #8.3 - Mon May 31, 2010 7:19 PM EDT
              Tselly

              > I take it you're not too big on the second amendment over here in the states, huh?

              Because the US has this strange notion that everyone should be able to bear arms inside it, this law should apply everywhere? Luckily we don't have the NRA in the mediterranean. Or anywhere else outside the US, for that matter.

                #8.4 - Mon May 31, 2010 7:31 PM EDT
                krishna-167929

                I take it you're not too big on the second amendment over here in the states, huh?

                What, exactly, do U.S. gun laws have to do with terrorist acts of agression by "so-called "peace activists"?

                • 7 votes
                #8.5 - Mon May 31, 2010 7:31 PM EDT
                sscott

                Because the US has this strange notion that everyone should be able to bear arms inside it, this law should apply everywhere? Luckily we don't have the NRA in the mediterranean. Or anywhere else outside the US, for that matter.

                Which is why we had to save your asses several times inthe last 100 years.

                • 6 votes
                #8.6 - Mon May 31, 2010 8:05 PM EDT
                LonoKemp

                Your implication of terrorism guilt by merely carrying guns. Not clear enough?

                • 2 votes
                #8.7 - Mon May 31, 2010 9:17 PM EDT
                LonoKemp

                sorry, weapons. whatever.

                • 1 vote
                #8.8 - Mon May 31, 2010 9:22 PM EDT
                blaze1024

                i believe it was pretty clear that the turkish ship did not heed the warnings and refused to "turn away" to be diverted, and given their statements prior to the confrontation,

                The Turkish ship was in international waters its passengers did not want to go to Israeli. Yet you defend hijacking of a ship and forcefully taking the passengers to a country they did not want to go to.

                Whats amazing is the Israeli government deported the passengers from Israel under the ludicrous legal claim that they were in the country illegal WHAT!! Your @!$%#ing military forcefully hijacked their ship and brought them into the country! They did enter your country of their own free will.

                • 1 vote
                #8.9 - Thu Jun 3, 2010 9:33 AM EDT
                Jalmeno

                'yawn'

                Revisionist propaganda makes me sleepy.

                Gotta get more coffe, too early to pass out...

                • 4 votes
                #8.10 - Thu Jun 3, 2010 9:45 AM EDT
                analog ninja

                hm, seemed to me that they had the contents of the ships galley and storage depot.

                not exactly the case for intent towards radically awesome violence.

                perhaps something a bit more interesting next round, if of course the intent was to create a violent disruption at sea. Perhaps they should enlist some actual gangstas with actual firepower before the attempt bait an assault vs one of the planets best trained military forces. surely a midwestern radical nra christian could have produced more firepower with their average hunting kit....

                • 4 votes
                #8.11 - Sat Jun 5, 2010 12:30 AM EDT
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                JGradus

                Hi!

                The problem is that this covers an armed conflict. As Israel is not in an armed conflict in this, i.e. war, the law does not apply.

                Instead acting as under an armed conflict with a Turkish vessel should instead be considered an act of war.

                Plus that as the ship was full of aid, it wouldn't be covered anyway of this law as per Part III Section III, point ii

                SECTION III : ENEMY VESSELS AND AIRCRAFT EXEMPT FROM ATTACK

                Classes of vessels exempt from attack

                47. The following classes of enemy vessels are exempt from attack:

                (a) hospital ships;
                (b) small craft used for coastal rescue operations and other medical transports;
                (c) vessels granted safe conduct by agreement between the belligerent parties including:
                (i) cartel vessels, e.g., vessels designated for and engaged in the transport of prisoners of war;
                (ii) vessels engaged in humanitarian missions, including vessels carrying supplies indispensable to the survival of the civilian population, and vessels engaged in relief actions and rescue operations;
                (d) vessels engaged in transporting cultural property under special protection;
                (e) passenger vessels when engaged only in carrying civilian passengers;
                (f) vessels charged with religious, non-military scientifc or philanthropic missions, vessels collecting scientific data of likely military applications are not protected;
                (g) small coastal fishing vessels and small boats engaged in local coastal trade, but they are subject to the regulations of a belligerent naval commander operating in the area and to inspection;
                (h) vessels designated or adapted exclusively for responding to pollution incidents in the marine environment;
                (i) vessels which have surrendered;
                (j) life rafts and life boats.

                Conditions of exemption

                • 6 votes
                #9 - Mon May 31, 2010 1:49 PM EDT
                Yaakov

                Israel didn't attack the boats (if they had, the boats would have been sunk, with no casualties on the Israeli side). They exercised their right to inspect vessels that had declared their intention to break the Israeli blockade on Gaza.

                "Plus that as the ship was full of aid" - yeah, aid like crowbars, baseball bats, pistols, metal rods, knives, nasty little slingshots (and whatever else - I am sure we will be treated to pictures of just exactly what was the nature of this "aid" over the next few days). If their intention had been to get their cargo to Gaza ASAP, then the fastest was to do this would be to follow instructions, go to the port of Ashdod, and take the IDF up on its offer of watching them hand-deliver all of the goods into Ashdod. But the goal was not to deliver aid. It was to treat the world to a PR spectacle where Israel had no chance of coming out on top.

                • 13 votes
                #9.1 - Mon May 31, 2010 2:09 PM EDT
                XNihil0Zer0

                Their blockade has to be legal before they can legally enforce it. The U.N. security council decides the legality of a blockade, and they're meeting right now. We'll see what they decide.

                • 3 votes
                #9.2 - Mon May 31, 2010 2:55 PM EDT
                Yaakov

                Being that this is the UN judging Israel, I am afraid that the outcome is a foregone conclusion.

                • 11 votes
                #9.3 - Mon May 31, 2010 3:10 PM EDT
                rozdane

                "Plus that as the ship was full of aid" - yeah, aid like crowbars, baseball bats, pistols, metal rods, knives, nasty little slingshots (and whatever else - I am sure we will be treated to pictures of just exactly what was the nature of this "aid" over the next few days).

                That does not sound right - looks like a good list of things that dont make sense to feed the needy and sick. Unless the knives were surgical knives for hospitals. And pistols ? sounds a little over exaggeration. kids make sling shots out of nothing all the time. metal rods ? for possible building construction. crowbars are used for what - cant be used to hit someone who fires at someone from a distance, crowbars are generally used in construction also.

                But still despite all this it does not make sense to 20 and injure more than 30 ?

                • 1 vote
                #9.4 - Mon May 31, 2010 3:26 PM EDT
                XNihil0Zer0

                Being that this is the UN judging Israel, I am afraid that the outcome is a foregone conclusion.

                So do you mean the international law you cited is valid because it would support Israel's actions, but the international law giving authority to the U.N. security council to decide the legality of a blockade is not, because they might rule against Israel?

                • 5 votes
                #9.5 - Mon May 31, 2010 3:35 PM EDT
                krishna-167929

                If their intention had been to get their cargo to Gaza ASAP, then the fastest was to do this would be to follow instructions, go to the port of Ashdod, and take the IDF up on its offer of watching them hand-deliver all of the goods into Ashdod. But the goal was not to deliver aid.

                Exactly. I think that's pretty obvious.

                • 10 votes
                #9.6 - Mon May 31, 2010 4:42 PM EDT
                XNihil0Zer0

                I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate Israel for killing more civilians in one day than all qassam rocket attacks, the excuse for this blockade.

                • 2 votes
                #9.7 - Mon May 31, 2010 5:46 PM EDT
                Kshark

                JGradus--

                Except that

                SECTION V : NEUTRAL MERCHANT VESSELS AND CIVIL AIRCRAFT

                Neutral merchant vessels

                67. Merchant vessels flying the flag of neutral States may not be attacked unless they:

                (a) are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture;

                (b) engage in belligerent acts on behalf of the enemy;
                (c) act as auxiliaries to the enemy s armed forces;
                (d) are incorporated into or assist the enemy s intelligence system;
                (e) sail under convoy of enemy warships or military aircraft; or
                (f) otherwise make an effective contribution to the enemy s military action, e.g., by carrying military materials, and it is not feasible for the attacking forces to first place passengers and crew in a place of safety. Unless circumstances do not permit, they are to be given a warning, so that they can re-route, off-load, or take other precautions.

                ICRC

                • 4 votes
                #9.8 - Mon May 31, 2010 5:57 PM EDT
                XNihil0Zer0

                What does that law matter if the UN declares the blockade illegal?

                • 1 vote
                #9.9 - Mon May 31, 2010 6:47 PM EDT
                sscott

                http://sscottyapp.newsvine.com/_news/2010/05/31/4443686-close-up-footage-of-flotilla-passengers-attacking-israeli-soldiers

                • 4 votes
                #9.10 - Mon May 31, 2010 10:17 PM EDT
                Buzz of the Orient

                metal rods ? for possible building construction

                or as weapons, as shown in link #9.10 just above.

                How about the cement for building bunkers?

                sscott. That video needs to be shown on every seed dealing with this issue where the flotilla apologists argue that the passengers were innocent bystanders.

                • 5 votes
                #9.11 - Mon May 31, 2010 10:51 PM EDT
                Jason - Atlanta, GA

                The UN basically declares the existence of Israel as illegal, so who really cares what they think about an Israeli blockade of a terrorist entity acting as government.

                Besides, the UN is dominated by a Majority block of Muslim states that automatically vote against Israel. The UN has been irrelevant for years. Some day, a smart nation will decide to leave, starting a domino effect that signals the end of the UN. Maybe the US will be the first to walk out, saving us Americans huge amounts in taxes used to prop up the UN.

                • 2 votes
                #9.12 - Wed Jun 2, 2010 4:10 PM EDT
                greg-709692

                If the U.N. is declaring the Blockade is Illegal, and all the Liberals are crying, Again, "The U.N. says its Illegal, so it is",these same people crying about Israel and the Flotilla problem, need to jump on Egypt for being the other half of the blockade at the Rafah Crossing.

                Notice how nobody tries to run Egypt's section of the Blockade nor do they cry "It's Illegal" either.

                This is just another "Get Israel" moment for the Hamas apologist's.

                • 4 votes
                #9.13 - Thu Jun 3, 2010 7:44 AM EDT
                CaptainObviousSays

                if the UN declares the blockade illegal?

                nothing changes...

                Israel will enforce the blockade...

                the un does not have the power you think it does..

                • 5 votes
                #9.14 - Thu Jun 30, 2011 2:14 PM EDT
                krishna-167929

                if the UN declares the blockade illegal?

                nothing changes...

                Israel will enforce the blockade...

                the un does not have the power you think it does..

                Indeed Captain-- I think that's obvious!

                • 6 votes
                #9.15 - Thu Jun 30, 2011 10:13 PM EDT
                Arch-Man

                krishna-

                Indeed Captain-- I think that's obvious!

                lol

                • 5 votes
                #9.16 - Fri Jul 1, 2011 3:28 AM EDT
                krishna-167929

                Man is it ever good to see obe of my arch supporters here! :-)

                • 5 votes
                #9.17 - Fri Jul 1, 2011 3:49 AM EDT
                Reply
                grundik

                the big question is, does an attempt to board a ship that is refusing to heed warnings to stop and subject to cargo inspection, and is met with violent resistance constitutes an attack? I am very skeptical of a theory that in this well publicized situation, when the eyes of the world are on Israel, that they would go into this with guns blazing...

                I'll reserve my final judgement until there is more evidence and/or investigation.

                • 2 votes
                Reply#10 - Mon May 31, 2010 2:07 PM EDT
                jk847-1854524

                Israel boarded five other ships in the same flotilla without incident before meeting resistance on the sixth ship. If they were going in guns blazing, they should have attacked the first five ships.

                • 2 votes
                #10.1 - Wed Jun 2, 2010 5:25 AM EDT
                grundik

                jk... my sentiments exactly! However, looking back at Israeli operations in the last few years, I am starting to get a feeling that, although their operations are justified and valid, their execution of those operations has gotten sloppy. Or it's a PR issue. Either way, someone needs to shape up.

                • 1 vote
                #10.2 - Thu Jun 3, 2010 2:06 AM EDT
                Reply
                Avinoam

                Excellent article, and a well argued legal assessment. I had recalled that San Remo contains such a provision, but couldn't recall precisely where - Thank you!

                • 3 votes
                Reply#11 - Mon May 31, 2010 4:29 PM EDT
                Avinoam

                Their blockade has to be legal before they can legally enforce it. The U.N. security council decides the legality of a blockade, and they're meeting right now. We'll see what they decide.

                Source?

                • 2 votes
                Reply#12 - Mon May 31, 2010 4:34 PM EDT
                Avinoam

                This law is applicable to "armed conflicts at sea." With whom is Israel in a naval war that this would apply? Israel does have a blockade of Gaza, but the blockade is not part of a war with Gaza, so this law doesn't seem appropriate.

                Depending on how you view it, Israel is in an international or non-international armed conflict with Hamas. Pursuant to customary international law, armed conflicts do not cease when violence abates, but rather continue until a peace accord is signed.

                • 3 votes
                Reply#13 - Mon May 31, 2010 4:37 PM EDT
                db7

                if the activists were doing something that was for the good of the people that live in GAZA why was the UN not part of the flotilla?

                They could have stopped the Israeli navy.

                • 1 vote
                Reply#14 - Mon May 31, 2010 5:11 PM EDT
                sscott

                Good article Yaakov.

                • 9 votes
                Reply#15 - Mon May 31, 2010 5:40 PM EDT
                pokermik

                I sure hope that "peaceful activist" in the photo at the top is no longer breathing. Sad thing is, he probably has 5-6 sons waiting to take his place in the further promotion of "peace".

                • 3 votes
                Reply#16 - Mon May 31, 2010 7:10 PM EDT
                The Spirit

                This is a huge PR victory for the Jew haters. All that "flotilla" would have had to do is unload their cargo at Haifa and it would have been inspected and passed right through the checkpoint as goods are every day. This was not a relief effort, it was a blatant attempt to break the embargo.

                • 6 votes
                Reply#17 - Mon May 31, 2010 7:29 PM EDT
                sscott

                http://sscottyapp.newsvine.com/_news/2010/05/31/4443686-close-up-footage-of-flotilla-passengers-attacking-israeli-soldiers

                The whole world will know who the aggressors were from the video linked there.

                • 6 votes
                #17.1 - Mon May 31, 2010 8:07 PM EDT
                Buzz of the Orient

                All that "flotilla" would have had to do is unload their cargo at Haifa

                A reception centre was prepared at Ashdod, and Israel was going to fly the "mules" back to their respective homes at Israel's expense, but they would be arrested if they refused to leave.

                • 6 votes
                #17.2 - Mon May 31, 2010 10:59 PM EDT
                krishna-167929

                This is a huge PR victory for the Jew haters. All that "flotilla" would have had to do is unload their cargo at Haifa and it would have been inspected and passed right through the checkpoint as goods are every day. This was not a relief effort, it was a blatant attempt to break the embargo.

                And more.

                Related article: How Not to Get Shot by a Soldier

                • 4 votes
                #17.3 - Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:08 PM EDT
                Reply
                backroads

                Good article, yaakov.

                • 6 votes
                Reply#18 - Mon May 31, 2010 10:38 PM EDT
                grundik

                For those of you here that consider themselves Americans, if you truly espouse the laws and principles of our country, and our concept of justice, then you must support the notion that Israel is innocent. Because, to Americans, one is innocent until proven guilty. What ever evidence of Israel's guilt people present here is hardly proof. It might raise a few questions, at best.

                • 3 votes
                Reply#19 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 2:32 AM EDT
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                Leonardo-1853310Deleted
                jk847-1854524

                XNihil0Zer0

                The U.N. Security Council (UNSC) is not a legislative body. They are not a global government. There is no global government. If there were a global government, there would be no such thing as a sovereign state. The rules of war and the sea are governed by treaties between sovereign states. The rules governing blockades can not be changed by pronouncements of the UNSC or even the UN General Assembly.

                  Reply#21 - Wed Jun 2, 2010 5:09 AM EDT
                  Pedro Perdomo

                  Congratulations, this is a well researched piece of propaganda that without doubt will qualify as your quota of national service in the IDF.

                  JR

                    Reply#22 - Wed Jun 2, 2010 5:13 AM EDT
                    Yaakov

                    "Propaganda is a form of communication that is aimed at influencing the attitude of a community toward some cause or position" (wikipedia)

                    So since my intent was to write a well researched piece intended to influence the attitude of the community towards accepting that Israel might not be so guilty as some would have immediately accepted, I should say...thanks for the compliment?

                    (BTW: I was never served in the IDF - was too old when I moved here).

                    • 3 votes
                    #22.1 - Wed Jun 2, 2010 8:19 AM EDT
                    blaze1024

                    BTW: I was never served in the IDF - was too old when I moved here)

                    No but we know who the paid shills and blogger are

                    The Immigrant Absorption Ministry announced on Sunday it was setting up an "army of bloggers," to be made up of Israelis who speak a second language, to represent Israel in "anti-Zionist blogs" in English, French, Spanish and German.

                    "The ministry's director general, Erez Halfon, told Haaretz. "We turned to this enormous reservoir of more than a million people with a second mother tongue." Other languages in which bloggers are sought include Russian and Portuguese."

                    WOW a Million Paid bloggers brings a whole new meaning to SPIN-BABY-SPIN!

                      #22.2 - Fri Jun 4, 2010 7:41 AM EDT
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                      Pedro PerdomoDeleted
                      krishna-167929

                      Wow-- LGF linked to this!

                      Congratulations Yaakov!!!

                      • 6 votes
                      Reply#24 - Wed Jun 2, 2010 8:08 PM EDT
                      Jalmeno

                      Congratulations on a great seed and being noticed!!

                      Chazak u'baruch!!

                      • 9 votes
                      #24.1 - Wed Jun 2, 2010 9:57 PM EDT
                      Reply
                      victoria-1861427

                      i guess the world just thinks the Palestinians have been starved enough

                      maybe whoever is responsible for blockades should make sure enough food and medicines get in there, then other people won't be trying to bring it over.

                      i agree UN and probably Bono should get on board that Irish ship going over there now, and add the Dalai Lama for good measure.

                        Reply#25 - Fri Jun 4, 2010 2:58 PM EDT
                        krishna-167929

                        I guess the world just thinks the Palestinians have been starved enough

                        maybe whoever is responsible for blockades should make sure enough food and medicines get in there, then other people won't be trying to bring it over.

                        i agree UN and probably Bono should get on board that Irish ship going over there now, and add the Dalai Lama for good measure.

                        And the Pope and Paris Hilton. (Maybe David Letterman?).

                        But if there's not enough room on those flotillas-- no fear. There will soon be "counter-flotillas"!

                        Yes-- sailing in the opposite direction-- from Israel to Turkey.
                        To protest the illegal Turkish occupation of Kurdistan-- as well as other violations of the Kurds rights by the Turks.
                        Very cool indeed-- and travelers to the eastern Meditteranean now have a choice of flotillas-- each with a different political agenda-- and each going in a different direction!
                        Ideas for 'reverse flotillas' (To Turkey) gain steam

                        The most ambitious of the two plans has been devised by members of Israel's National Student Union, who this week announced their intention to set sail toward Turkey, in an effort to bring humanitarian aid to the "oppressed people of Turkish Kurdistan" and to members of the "Turkish Armenian minority."

                        • 6 votes
                        #25.1 - Tue Jun 8, 2010 6:37 PM EDT
                        Buzz of the Orient

                        Gee, I wonder what the extra factor is that makes Israel the sole target of the world when there are so many human rights violations around the world that nobody pays any attention to, many of them so much more horrific than the Israeli/Palestinian issue?

                        How about a little guessing game, see if you can name the reason. I'm waiting to hear from the Palestinian supporters. Those who support Israel already know the answer, so don't comment giving it away.

                        • 6 votes
                        #25.2 - Tue Jun 8, 2010 8:19 PM EDT
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                        Jurgen-1876665

                        Rüdiger Wolfrum "President of the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea" on SUA convention 2005, (formulated ten years after San Remo Manual):

                        "The Protocol introduces a new article, article 8bis, concerning the procedures to be followed if a State Party desires to board a ship flying the flag of another State Party, outside the territorial sea of any State, when the requesting Party has reasonable grounds to suspect that the ship or a person on board the ship is, has been, or is about to be, involved in the commission of an offence under the Convention. The authorization and cooperation of the flag State is required before such boarding can take place.Such authorization may be made in general or on an ad hoc basis."

                        Chatham House on the same convention:

                        "...the failure of the US to secure an agreement that a flag state would automatically be deemed to have authorised a boarding where the flag state fails to respond to a requesting state’s request to board within a certain number of hours. The US had to settle for an alternative arrangement (set out in new art 8bis(5)(d) and (e) of the SUA Convention), whereby a state joining the 2005 Protocol may give notice to the IMO Secretary-General that in future a requesting state may board and perform certain other activities on ships flying the flag of the former without the latter having to seek such authorisation on a case-by-case basis."

                        Was Comoros or IMO consulted? :P

                          Reply#26 - Thu Jun 10, 2010 11:16 AM EDT
                          Jurgen-1876665

                          ( My point is that why didnt IDF wait until the ship was closer to shore?: http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/foreign-ministry-warned-israel-navy-not-to-raid-gaza-flotilla-in-international-waters-1.295227 )

                            #26.1 - Thu Jun 10, 2010 11:20 AM EDT
                            Reply
                            krishna-167929

                            These facts are being totally ignored in the current series of Israel bashing articles on NV!!!

                            Why?

                            • 3 votes
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