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Settlements Are the Issue

Seeded on Thu Sep 1, 2011 8:08 AM EDT
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In the first place, although some Palestinian negotiators have given the impression that they would accept Israeli retention of the large settlement blocs in return for the surrender of some Israeli territory elsewhere, the official Palestinian and Arab position has remained that Israel must withdraw to the 1949 armistice lines, which are invariably referred to as the “1967 borders.” When the Palestinians ask individual countries to declare their support for the unilateral declaration of a Palestinian state, the boundaries of that state are always described as the “1967 borders.” All this creates the impression that one of the main reasons why the Palestinians are not interested in a negotiated settlement is precisely because they are not willing to accept the existence of any Israeli settlements, whether big or small, beyond the 1949 armistice lines. This impression is further reinforced by the repeated statements by Abbas and other Palestinian leaders that they do not intend to accept the presence of even one single Jew within the territory of their new Palestinian state. 

In the second place, even if the Palestinians were willing to accept some Israeli settlements while insisting that others be dismantled, Israeli agreement to this demand would not in fact represent a compromise but rather a capitulation to Palestinian antisemitism. In return for voluntarily evicting tens of thousands of Jews from their homes, with all the attendant strife and dislocation which such a step would engender within Israeli society, Israel would receive nothing in return save a meaningless promise of future peaceful intentions. A genuine compromise on the issue of the settlements would see some placed under Israeli sovereignty and some under Palestinian sovereignty, but no one thinks in these terms because everyone knows that the Palestinians would immediately move to attack any Jewish settlements placed under their authority. While the supporters of the Palestinians rave and rant against Israel as an “apartheid state,” the Palestinians themselves loudly proclaim their refusal to permit any Jews to live under their rule. And this stance is not unique to the Palestinians but is true of the entire Arab world, where hardly any Jews now remain from what were once large communities dating back literally thousands of years.

In the third place, even if a genuine compromise on the issue of the settlements were possible, there are so many other issues on which the Palestinians are not willing to compromise that no peace agreement between them and Israel is conceivable any time soon. In particular, for 20 years the Palestinians have not budged one inch from their demand for the “right of return” of millions of Palestinians to “Israel proper.” They have also continued to demand full sovereignty over the Temple Mount, plus a corridor under their exclusive jurisdiction between Gaza and the “West Bank,” plus sufficient control over their borders and air space to enable them to import offensive weapons. It would be suicidal for Israel to agree to these demands, nor do the Palestinians expect Israeli agreement. For the Palestinians, the whole point of persisting with impossible demands is to validate their strategy of trying to secure United Nations approval of the unilateral declaration of a Palestinian state. Such approval would not actually give the Palestinians physical control over the territory which they claim, but what it would do is create the basis for a political, diplomatic and military offensive against the Jewish settlements. Eradication of these settlements is the Palestinian short term goal, which means that for Israel as well as for the Palestinians, the settlements are indeed the issue.

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Buzz of the Orient

Thank you, Yaakov, for bringing this article to our attention. It does provide a sensible explanation of the real motive and intention of the Palestinians with respect to the settlements, along with a credible justification for their existence.

  • 8 votes
Reply#1 - Thu Sep 1, 2011 1:27 PM EDT
HydeWhyte

This impression is further reinforced by the repeated statements by Abbas and other Palestinian leaders that they do not intend to accept the presence of even one single Jew within the territory of their new Palestinian state.

But it is the Israelis who are accused of being racist and apartheid while Israel even allows Arabs to aspire to Israel's version of Congress. A bit more than ironic how so many people can be so blind to the truth.

  • 9 votes
Reply#2 - Thu Sep 1, 2011 1:44 PM EDT
Buzz of the Orient

A bit more than ironic how so many people can be so blind to the truth.

They're not blind. It's just that they're filled with envy and hatred.

  • 8 votes
#2.1 - Thu Sep 1, 2011 3:10 PM EDT
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backroads

Say no to the Pal Arabs. Clearly, their intention is the demise of Israel.

  • 7 votes
Reply#3 - Thu Sep 1, 2011 9:09 PM EDT
Arch-Man

Keep the land, it's your heritage for your children's children. I don't know how much of it you can get back, but never give up Jerusalem. Peace

  • 7 votes
Reply#4 - Fri Sep 2, 2011 5:00 AM EDT
Buzz of the Orient

There is no way the Jews will EVER give up Jerusalem. No matter where a Jew is in the world, when he/she prays, he/she faces Jerusalem. Every year Jews utter this psalm: "If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand wither and my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth."

  • 8 votes
#4.1 - Fri Sep 2, 2011 5:11 AM EDT
Arch-Man

Psalm 137:
1 By the waters of Babylon, there we sat down and wept, when we remembered Zion. 2 On the willows there we hung up our lyres. 3 For there our captors required of us songs, and our tormentors, mirth, saying, "Sing us one of the songs of Zion!" 4How shall we sing the LORD's song in a foreign land? 5 If I forget you, O Jerusalem, let my right hand wither! 6 Let my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth, if I do not remember you, if I do not set Jerusalem above my highest joy! 7Remember, O LORD, against the E'domites the day of Jerusalem, how they said, "Rase it, rase it! Down to its foundations!" 8 O daughter of Babylon, you devastator! Happy shall he be who requites you with what you have done to us! 9 Happy shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rock!

Great Psalm, thanks Buzz for reminding me.

  • 7 votes
#4.2 - Fri Sep 2, 2011 4:17 PM EDT
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larrrs

Eradication of these settlements is the Palestinian short term goal,

In the long term, eradication of Israel. Once the "little satan" is outta the way the influence of the larger may be diminished. Oil, arabs only export of importance (besides terrorism), is loosing it's appeal and the palestinians prove to be a useful pawn for the arabs who can't stand them, disregarding actual opportunities to see a country of their own. Fools.

  • 5 votes
Reply#5 - Fri Sep 2, 2011 6:54 PM EDT
Tselly

The Muslims still revere Salladin, who defeated the crusaders 800 years ago. A defeat of Israel will fuel them against Europe for at least a few more - what? Years? Decades? Generations?

  • 3 votes
#5.1 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 1:27 AM EDT
HydeWhyte

It is true that the Muslims still revere Saladin but now they revere their expected Mahdi more. And their Mahdi has a much more diabolical plan in store for the Jews than Saladin ever dreamed. Seems to be a big part of what drives Islam. And I think generations is still accurate at this time.

  • 4 votes
#5.2 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 1:42 AM EDT
larrrs

A defeat of Israel will fuel them against Europe for at least a few more - what? Years? Decades? Generations?

More than fuel.

Strategic welfare does not allow for the Wests best foothold in the region, to collapse; and, the economic impact alone would turn it all upside down.

  • 5 votes
#5.3 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 2:11 AM EDT
larrrs

Seems to be a big part of what drives Islam. And I think generations is still accurate at this time.

Hhhhmmm.....yeah; global caliphates don't come cheap nowadays and they gotta start somewhere.

  • 3 votes
#5.4 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 2:13 AM EDT
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Tselly

There is a sport that is called after the Jews: Judo (Jewdo?). :) The idea is to use your opponent's force in order to defeat them.

What happens if some third party comes with their version of the Palestinian independence resolutions - as follows:

- The right of the Palestinians to statehood is predicated on their recognition of the Jews' symmetric right.

- The international community rejects the idea that they have a Right of Return into another state - Israel. The Palestinians' right is predicated also on this.

- The international community demands that other MidEast countries, including Palestine, respect the right of Israel to maintain its (Jewish) character. (This should appear in the final agreement.)

You can add/subtract your own; the idea is that these aren't Israel's demands, but demands implied by the UN Charter, the aspiration for peace, international norms and law. If Israel has additional demands, they will be negotiated bilaterally; but if the Palestinians want international help to achieve their rights, then there are also obligations, and the UN can't separate them.

  • 3 votes
Reply#6 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 1:37 AM EDT
curtonthebeach

Judo(柔道 jūdō?, meaning "gentle way") is a modernmartial art and combat sport created in Japan in 1882 by Jigoro Kano.

http://tinyurl.com/525ekw

You trying to rewrite history now?

  • 2 votes
#6.1 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 4:04 AM EDT
Tselly

Not rewriting history - rewriting linguistics. :)

You do raise an interesting problem: that the meaning of what I am spelling "Jewdo", is actually "gentile way".... :)

  • 2 votes
#6.2 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 8:28 AM EDT
curtonthebeach

need to clean your glasses, if that's how you read it :)

Judo(柔道jūdō?, meaning "gentle way"

See it's spelled GENTLE, nice try but not today.

  • 2 votes
#6.3 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 8:35 AM EDT
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